Inside the head of a shithead parent

[TheWho]

No Apple and apples, I am talking about Kid safety 24 hours a day!  Where are they safer inside a TBS or outside a TBS?  This is the question I am trying to answer and I think parents would like to have this info to help their k ids

Ya know what Who?  Put a chastity belt, lojack and a great big bullet proof bubble around you kid and just be done with it.  Make the bubble big enough for some "life coach" or similarly qualified expert to do your job for you.

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Nah, most kids dont need that.  Some just need to be place into a safe enviornment so they can grow......if we can lead just a few parents to some of the better places we can help some of these kids avoid the abusive ones.......you forgot the GPS shoes !!

[Anne Bonney]

Nah, most kids dont need that.  Some just need to be place into a safe enviornment so they can grow......if we can lead just a few parents to some of the better places we can help some of these kids avoid the abusive ones

Most kids don't need programs at all.  It is an incredibly small percentage of kids that need to be removed from the home and those that actually do need to be in licensed facilities with licensed professionals.  


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......you forgot the GPS shoes !!

I said Lojack.

[RobertBruce]

Exactly Cindy! This is why y0u need to stop generalizing these places as all good and safe. Look at each individual one decide by its own merits.

[TheWho]

No Apple and apples, I am talking about Kid safety 24 hours a day! Where are they safer inside a TBS or outside a TBS? This is the question I am trying to answer and I think parents would like to have this info to help their k ids

But before it was school safety the only reason you've changed it is because the numbers werent coming out how you wanted them to. I've already told you, create a seperate category if you like, we can look at that as a seperate topic if you like, but for the time being we are comparing safety for kids in a public school versus kids in a theraputic school both while they are at school.

You cannot lump the two together and call it the same thing when it clearly isnt.

Yes you can, look at the data.  Its done....its data away from school and data at school....what is missing?  
24 hours a day at a TBS vs away from a TBS.  Its valuable information for parents, I should know, I am one and this would be helpful to myself if I was looking and am sure it will be to other parents.

[TheWho]

Nah, most kids dont need that.  Some just need to be place into a safe enviornment so they can grow......if we can lead just a few parents to some of the better places we can help some of these kids avoid the abusive ones

Most kids don't need programs at all.  It is an incredibly small percentage of kids that need to be removed from the home and those that actually do need to be in licensed facilities with licensed professionals.  


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......you forgot the GPS shoes !!

I said Lojack.

Yeah, your right that is GPS, I was thinking about the new shoes on the market which I heard about today.

[Anne Bonney]

Yeah, your right that is GPS, I was thinking about the new shoes on the market which I heard about today.

    I thought you were kidding.

[RobertBruce]

Yes you can, look at the data. Its done....its data away from school and data at school....what is missing?
24 hours a day at a TBS vs away from a TBS. Its valuable information for parents, I should know, I am one and this would be helpful to myself if I was looking and am sure it will be to other parents.

Dear God........Cindy answer for me this very simple question; Did NCES combine the data or seperate it?

[TheWho]

Exactly Cindy! This is why y0u need to stop generalizing these places as all good and safe. Look at each individual one decide by its own merits.

No look at them as a select group (TBS) and then try to rate them from good to bad as more information comes in.

We dont want to lump them all together with wilderness, mental hospitals, group homes etc.

What we need to do is start breaking out select groups and looking at them independently and then start looking at individual programs, schools.  This info will give the parent the first cut he needs,  should he consider a TBS at all?  If the answer is yes then the next step would be which ones.  We havent got there yet, we need more data.

[RobertBruce]

Answer the question, then I'll respond to this comment.

[TheWho]

Yeah, your right that is GPS, I was thinking about the new shoes on the market which I heard about today.

    I thought you were kidding.

Yea..  they have new shoes (about $300) which has a location device in the heal.  Neat colors for the kids (Ha).  Its just like loJack only the kid needs to pull the shoe laces (or push a button) to activate it.  So the kid needs to want to be found for it to work.  I heard about it on the news.  Havent seen a ad for it yet on the net.

[TheWho]

Yes you can, look at the data. Its done....its data away from school and data at school....what is missing?
24 hours a day at a TBS vs away from a TBS. Its valuable information for parents, I should know, I am one and this would be helpful to myself if I was looking and am sure it will be to other parents.

Dear God........Cindy answer for me this very simple question; Did NCES combine the data or seperate it?

not sure what you mean?   They covered a 24 hour period (total) and broke it out into a sub set of "at school" and "away from school".  I guess they could have broken it out more by adding sub sets "on the way to school", "During lunch" etc.  but the totals are there.

[RobertBruce]

So if they didn't combine deaths that occured at school with deaths that occured away from school, explain to me why you should?

[TheWho]

So if they didn't combine deaths that occured at school with deaths that occured away from school, explain to me why you should?

They did!  They had a 24 hour period and then broke it out to show more detail.... this is common practice.  We can do the same with our data as we get more info

[RobertBruce]

Cindy you just said they didn't, you're getting so flustered by this you don't know if you're coming or going.

Here let me help you. This is taken directly from the NCES site.

In the most recent school year for which data from all sources are available, from July 1, 1999 to June 30, 2000, there were 32 school-associated violent deaths (table 1.1). Of these violent deaths, 24 were homicides and 8 were suicides. Sixteen of the homicides and 6 of the suicides were of school-aged youth (ages 5-19) at school (figure 1.1 and table 1.1). Combined, this translates into less than 1 homicide or suicide of a school-aged youth at school per million students enrolled during the 1999-2000 school year.1 Away from school, during roughly the same time period, there were 2,124 homicides and 1,922 suicides of youth ages 5-19.

Now it would appear by most peoples standards that they are seperating deaths that occur while in school and deaths that occur away from school. Do you disagree?

[RobertBruce]

Did you need to do a little quick rewording there Cindy?