Inside the head of a shithead parent

[TheWho]

Actually when we include all the wilderness programs and group homes that you'd rather we not include the number jumps up to 16 homicides during that time period.

Sorry Cindy you can try and spin it anyway you like you just can't change the reality that these places are much more dangerous than public schools.

No way around it.

Ha,Ha,Ha,  of course if you add more parameters the numbers will grow.  I dont think anyone would expect them to shrink (no pun intended)

[TheWho]

Some of this conversation reminds me of this guy who worked for a metal stamping business we have in Colorado.  I use to go out 3 or 4 times a year and go over strategic planning, review head counts and the such and the production manager, Jeff, I think they called him was always criticizing this one piece of equipment and it was on our list to replace it or upgrade it I cant remember, but you had to really take care during set-up or it would produce garbage.  But it seemed he came into the office, while we were having a meeting, at least 3 times in my 2 visits with a big smile saying ?I told everyone but no ones listens to me, we just produced $5,000 worth of junk?.  He took great pride in showing everyone that he was right in wanting a new machine but overlooked the fact that it was his responsibility, his department that was loosing money!!  But being right was more important to him than doing his job.  I didn?t fire him; I think his own people got to him first.  Some people get so wrapped up in themselves and wanting to be right they loose sight of the job at hand and what is important.
Anyway, a little boring to most, just wanted to share that??. I?ll shut up now

[RobertBruce]

Wait wait wait....this paragraph deserves more of a thrashing, I cannot allow to make such assinine comments and somehow feel its okay.

Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year there was one child who could not be reached and was lost to suicide

Each year? Each year there since the inception of the industry there has only been one suicide per year? This is what your statement claims. I'll give you a single chance to retract your statement and then I'm going to beat you over the head with it and ensure that it destroys any credibility you're obsessed with obtaining.

Although TBS?s are seen as being extremely successful, there is always room for improvement,

Successful huh? Based on what exactly? Not one single independent study even remotely suggesting these places are successful (unless you consider ripping parents off and abusing kids as the business goals). There are however a number of things that would seem to suggest these programs arent acheiving much of anything in relation to what they claim to be their goals. Retract this comment as well.

they are continuously improving their programs in an effort to reach and help every child in their care.

Really? How so?

Over 2,100 schools aged children fell victim to homicides during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000. There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do. Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year there has not been a single homicide during this time period. TBS?s provide a safe environment for children to grow and mature

Once again youre counting kids who were killed outside of public schools, something that has nothing to do with this conversation, but looking again at your figures.

16 homicides in TBS's out of 30,000 translates to 1 out of every 1,875 kids being killed.

versus at a public school

2100 homicides out of 52,000,000 translates roughly to 1 out of every 24,762.

Once again despite your best efforts youve proven public schools to be safer than TBS's. Thanks again Cindy.

[RobertBruce]

Ha,Ha,Ha, of course if you add more parameters the numbers will grow. I dont think anyone would expect them to shrink (no pun intended)

You've provided no justification for wanting to exclude the other programs, I've provided a justification for why they should. You've offered no reasonable counter argument, thus I win.

Some of this conversation reminds me of this guy who worked for a metal stamping business we have in Colorado. I use to go out 3 or 4 times a year and go over strategic planning, review head counts and the such and the production manager, Jeff, I think they called him was always criticizing this one piece of equipment and it was on our list to replace it or upgrade it I cant remember, but you had to really take care during set-up or it would produce garbage. But it seemed he came into the office, while we were having a meeting, at least 3 times in my 2 visits with a big smile saying ?I told everyone but no ones listens to me, we just produced $5,000 worth of junk?. He took great pride in showing everyone that he was right in wanting a new machine but overlooked the fact that it was his responsibility, his department that was loosing money!! But being right was more important to him than doing his job. I didn?t fire him; I think his own people got to him first. Some people get so wrapped up in themselves and wanting to be right they loose sight of the job at hand and what is important.
Anyway, a little boring to most, just wanted to share that??.

Wow what a stupid story, not only was it a waste of time, but it has nothing to do with this conversation. In your analogy the guy was bitching about something that was his respondsibility. The safety of these kids is not our respondsibility but we are working to make them safer anyway. Idiot.

I?ll shut up now

One can only hope.

[TheWho]

Tough crowd:  I left out a comma.  Here it is again

Bob Wrote:

So then looking at your numbers it would appear that the odds are greater for a kid to die in a TBS than a public school.

That?s the beauty of data!!  Once you get it compiled it is time to start interpreting it, although we only have a single snap shot it can be looked at in may different ways:

:
Over 1,922 children took their lives during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000.  There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, which they have, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do.  Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year, there was one child who could not be reached and was lost to suicide.  Although TBS?s are seen as being extremely successful, there is always room for improvement, they are continuously improving their programs in an effort to reach and help every child in their care.
 
Another way to look at it:

Over 2,100 schools aged children fell victim to homicides during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000.  There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do.  Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year,  there has not been a single homicide during this time period.  TBS?s provide a safe environment for children to grow and mature

[TheWho]

You've provided no justification for wanting to exclude the other programs, I've provided a justification for why they should. You've offered no reasonable counter argument, thus I win.

Ha,Ha,Ha..... this is a classic,Bob.  I think you responded before you read my story....  its all about winning for you... you just dont get it.

There are kids out there who are dieing everyday and all you are interested in is winning something or getting a medal.  You are a mess?Bob clean yourself up and try focusing on the kids and their safety !!!  Who cares if you are right or trying to win an argument or not.  When you get older and enter a professional field you will quickly see that y0u need to keep your eye on the prize (in this case the kids) not on yourself and work towards a common goal?..  sorry guy I hate to be harsh but you should really focus more on helping the kids.

[Anonymous]

Why are you guys even arguing with this twit?  The IT doesn't give a shit about kids unless IT can find a way to cash in on the bonanza.  Better argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  Dear The IT: just put the fucking lotion in the basket already.

[RobertBruce]

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Over 1,922 children took their lives during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000. There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, which they have, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do. Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year, there was one child who could not be reached and was lost to suicide. Although TBS?s are seen as being extremely successful, there is always room for improvement, they are continuously improving their programs in an effort to reach and help every child in their care.

Another way to look at it:

Over 2,100 schools aged children fell victim to homicides during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000. There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do. Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year, there has not been a single homicide during this time period. TBS?s provide a safe environment for children to grow and mature

Dear God he still doesnt get it.........Cindy your numbers are wrong plain and simple. You've stated on here you aren't interested in learning the truth about matters, with every statement you make you only seem to reinforce that. Take your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up. You're only making a fool out of yourself.

[Anonymous]

Dear The IT: just put the fucking lotion in the basket already.

:rofl:

It's long since time for the hose.

[RobertBruce]

Ha,Ha,Ha..... this is a classic,Bob. I think you responded before you read my story.... its all about winning for you... you just dont get it.

No Cindy you don't get it. It becomes about winning because you seek to make into a contest, why I do not know considering you lose everytime. For me it's about who is right and who is wrong. In this instance we are right and you are wrong. It only becomes winning and losing in situations where we can exact change or force the schools to do something, or in the court room if need be.

There are kids out there who are dieing everyday and all you are interested in is winning something or getting a medal.

No Cindy if that was the case I wouldnt ever be willing to concede points of merit for the schools or acknowledge when I was mistaken. You on the otherhand refuse to acknowledge when youre been proven wrong or accept that some of these places abuse kids. I guess you're the one seeking the medal.

You are a mess?Bob clean yourself up and try focusing on the kids and their safety !!!

Again Cindy, I bathe at least once a day, twice on the days I go to the gym, you need to get over this obsession with my hygeine. Espically since you yourself have got to be covered in dirt considering you like to always keep your head nice and buried in the sand. You may also want to consider what our goals our here, you babbel on and on about how safe these TBS's are. We've proven they arent. We do this because we do care about these kids safety and had to suffer through it ourselves. Something you could never hope to understand. I guess thats why your daughter refused to talk to you for two years.

Who cares if you are right or trying to win an argument or not

You do apparently.

When you get older and enter a professional field you will quickly see that y0u need to keep your eye on the prize (in this case the kids) not on yourself and work towards a common goal?..

Oh Cindy......are you making an assumption about my age or station in life? Y0u need to learn to ask questions first, it may help you with that foot constantly being in your mouth problem.

sorry guy I hate to be harsh but you should really focus more on helping the kids.

Well it's not really harsh...it's more of the same tired rhetoric I heard in HLA, as well as from all their puppets on here "Get with our program, if you don't think like us youre wrong." Just one more thing that reinforces the claim that you are nothing more than an impotent program devotee spewing off what you've been told to think. You may want to try thinking for yourself someday, you might be suprised at what you could accomplish. But before that happens let me ask you, if you believe that I'm not focusing on helping the kids by pointing out illegal actions or lies that these programs have told, or listing off the numbers of kids who have been murdered in these programs, how are you helping them by speaking nonsense and propoganda and handing out disinformation and lies like its candy? Tell me Cindy how do your actions help these kids?

[RobertBruce]

Oh Cindy I did want to point out something I am proud of you for:

Cindy wrote

There are kids out there who are dieing everyday.

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you meant in TBS's. This shows just how much progress you've made.

When we look back you originally claimed no kid had ever died in a program.

Then you claimed one kid had died in 30 years of operation.

When you had your ass handed to you, you begrudginly acknowledged it but still insisted kids were never murdered in programs.

After you got your ass handed to you again you seem to have finally finally FINALLY seen the light.

As proud as I am of you Cindy I won't be suprised to see a regression. You just arent capable of handling the truth about these places. Messes up your wiring I guess.

[TheWho]

Bob Wrote:  

You've provided no justification for wanting to exclude the other programs, I've provided a justification for why they should. You've offered no reasonable counter argument, thus I win.

Hmmmmm??.  Not about winning?

Well it's not really harsh

Good,  I did not intend to offend.

[RobertBruce]

Hmmmmm??. Not about winning?

Like I said, it becomes about winning because you seek to make into a contest. I still don't know why since you seem to always lose.

Good, I did not intend to offend.

Oh Cindy, you couldn't if you tried.

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha,  and another thing !!!!

Oh Cindy I did want to point out something I am proud of you for:

Cindy wrote

There are kids out there who are dieing everyday.

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you meant in TBS's. This shows just how much progress you've made.

When we look back you originally claimed no kid had ever died in a program.

Then you claimed one kid had died in 30 years of operation.

When you had your ass handed to you, you begrudginly acknowledged it but still insisted kids were never murdered in programs.

After you got your ass handed to you again you seem to have finally finally FINALLY seen the light.

As proud as I am of you Cindy I won't be suprised to see a regression. You just arent capable of handling the truth about these places. Messes up your wiring I guess.

Calm down Bob, I am sorry.  It must be tough for you to sit down now,  I would have been finished here 20 pages ago but I just cant resist.  I do appologize for upsetting you.......

[Anne Bonney]

Actually when we include all the wilderness programs and group homes that you'd rather we not include the number jumps up to 16 homicides during that time period.

Sorry Cindy you can try and spin it anyway you like you just can't change the reality that these places are much more dangerous than public schools.

No way around it.

Ha,Ha,Ha,  of course if you add more parameters the numbers will grow.  I dont think anyone would expect them to shrink (no pun intended)

It's not adding parameters.  Any "therapeutic boarding school", "treatment center", "wilderness therapy", "emotional growth school" or anything else that uses the LGAT/raps/propheets is abusive and dangerous.  There are kids dying in these places every year.  It's different than in public schools.  It's systemic.  It comes from the very "treatment" being provided (restraints or excessive physical punishments, physical "coersion" :roll:  , fuck that!  It's physical force.)  That doesn't even address the psychological damage being inflicted upon these kids when they're at their most vulnerable.  You will not and cannot understand what fucking with someone in this form does.  You think you know all about it but buddy, believe me.  You haven't even scratched the fucking surface.  My prediction is that you and your daughter end up pretty much like my dad and I have.  The "good" relationship we "built" in Straight was fake bullshit, even if I didn't really understnad that at the time.  Remember, a lot of us came out of Straight singing it's praises for a number of years, swearing that it "saved" us or helped us realize our "true selves".  The relationship was always stressed and tenuous.  He never really knew me in any real sense.  I never knew me, how could he?  We faked and fumbled and tough loved our way through the last 20 years or so, not speaking at all for the last 6 until recently.  You've heard my story.  That's what you've got to look forward to unless you open your eyes.   I'll never trust my father again, ever.  And it's a shame because he could have been a great man, I mean a truly great man.  Most everyone that knows him thinks he's great, always have.  Whaddya wanna bet he's still secretly talking about it to his new friends in that small town he moved to?  How he had this poor, doomed child that he saved by being selfless enough to do the tough but right thing.  Yanno, not every parent has the strength to do that. :roll:  It gets a little annoying when I know the truth.  But god knows, I worshipped that man....which allowed for him to have way too much influence on my life and how I lived it and how I viewed myself.   Our relationship was shattered.  That may or may not have changed if he had opened his eyes, I don't know.  I sure wish we would have had the chance though.  Have a nice life.