Inside the head of a shithead parent

[TheWho]

Cindy theyve already been given to you several times over. Why are you wanting to rehash this stuff after you've already been beaten?


"Nay, tis but a scratch"

Because I think it is important to get all the data straight and accurate, it should not be thrown together and everyone should get a chance to add what they know.  Its not fair to the kids or parents to take this lightly.
You may feel there is a winner here but I dont.  When you are dealing with kids being killed or committing suicide there are no winners, except the kids who are saved or helped.

 So I have reviewed all the data that has been given to me and if you dont have any additional,  we have the following:

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  (52,000,000 students)

Public aschools
At School --- 21 school associated Deaths  (16  Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)

And estimated a population of 30,000 kids.
 At TBS?s the results would be:
At School  ---   1 (0 Homicides, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)

[Troll Control]

Great.  So all this rigamarole yeilds what we all said it would before you went on this "fact finding mission," Who.

Kids that go to TBS's (according to The Who) are one thousand times more likely to end up dead than kids who go to public schools.

I'm glad that was hashed out.  Funny how those numbers match what everyone else has been saying all along while The Who whistles past the graveyard...

[Anonymous]

chances of psychological damage? 90%

[Anne Bonney]

And I would venture to guess that most of the kids killed in "treatment" are a direct result of either the actions or gross negligence of those being paid handsomely to protect them.  Isn't that one of the selling points of these places?  How safe they are?  How small the student/teacher ratios are?  How well cared for their kids are?

[RobertBruce]

Because I think it is important to get all the data straight and accurate

No you don't, you think it's important to get your misinformation accepted as fact.

it should not be thrown together and everyone should get a chance to add what they know

Very true, you however don't know anything and have already stated you arent willing to learn anything new.

Its not fair to the kids or parents to take this lightly.
You may feel there is a winner here but I dont. When you are dealing with kids being killed or committing suicide there are no winners, except the kids who are saved or helped.

If that was really true you would not continue to discount their deaths and or experiences.

So I have reviewed all the data that has been given to me and if you dont have any additional, we have the following:

No you have the following, the rest of us have facts.

Time frame: July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 (52,000,000 students)

Why are you obsessed with this time frame? Even if the data showed that in that time frame the ratio of kids dying was higher at public schools you've still only looked at one year. You have to find the average amount of deaths for public schools and then look at deaths in TBS's across the board. Not simply one year, we've already established that year in question contains an anamonly as the Columbine Massacre occured during that period, something of that magnitude does not occur every year.

Public aschools
At School --- 21 school associated Deaths (16 Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Fine by this data 1 out of every 3,250,000 kids were murdered and 1 out of 8666666.66 kids committed suicide.

Away from school (2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)

Kids in public school not at school when their death occurs in no way factor into this discussion.

And estimated a population of 30,000 kids.
At TBS?s the results would be:
At School --- 1 (0 Homicides, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)

Okay so 1 out of 30,000

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)

I'm actually going to wait for you to cite your source for this data before I comment on it.

So then looking at your numbers it would appear that the odds are greater for a kid to die in a TBS than a public school.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy while you're trying to discount that data and spin it in your propoganda machine I'm curious as to why you don't want to include wilderness programs and such in your findings? Other than the fact that it proves our point beyond a shadow of a doubt of course.

[TheWho]

. Why are you obsessed with this time frame? Even if the data showed that in that time frame the ratio of kids dying was higher at public schools you've still only looked at one year. You have to find the average amount of deaths for public schools and then look at deaths in TBS's across the board.

It was data that was available to us from the public sector (NCES)  They collected data during that time frame, so in order to match our time frames must be the same

Not simply one year, we've already established that year in question contains an anamonly as the Columbine Massacre occured during that period, something of that magnitude does not occur every year.

Yes !!!  Now you are starting to catch on!  This is only the beginning.  Its difficult to make any decisions based on a single snap shot.  When more data becomes available on the public side (NCES)  we can compare that also and then the picture becomes more clear with each year that is added.

[TheWho]

Cindy while you're trying to discount that data and spin it in your propoganda machine I'm curious as to why you don't want to include wilderness programs and such in your findings? Other than the fact that it proves our point beyond a shadow of a doubt of course.

Because we are comparing schools.  Wilderness programs typically last only a few weeks.
I think the data is useful and should be tracked, I just dont think it can counted the same as a school.

[TheWho]

Bob wrote:

Not simply one year, we've already established that year in question contains an anamonly as the Columbine Massacre occured during that period, something of that magnitude does not occur every year.

If I am not mistaken the Columbine Massacre occured on April 20, 1999.  Our time frame is July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 so these figures would not be included.

[Anonymous]

Who, no one cares about your "data."
I've asked you about 20 times. Why did your OWN DAUGHTER not speak to you for a couple of years.  IS THAT QUESTION SO DIFFICULT for your pea brain?

[TheWho]

Who, no one cares about your "data."
I've asked you about 20 times. Why did your OWN DAUGHTER not speak to you for a couple of years.  IS THAT QUESTION SO DIFFICULT for your pea brain?

Its not my data, no one owns it, it is just information.  If it doesnt effect or interest you pass it over, thats what I do.....

You were misinformed, my daughter and I have never stopped speaking and we have a great relationship.

[RobertBruce]

It was data that was available to us from the public sector (NCES) They collected data during that time frame, so in order to match our time frames must be the same

Fine, but as I said to before even if you could prove that the public schools were more dangerous during that time period ( you havent, you've been disproven several times over) you've still only done it for that one year.

"Parents if you can manage to get hold of a time machine send your kids to a TBS in 1999, there's no place safer."

Yes !!! Now you are starting to catch on! This is only the beginning. Its difficult to make any decisions based on a single snap shot. When more data becomes available on the public side (NCES) we can compare that also and then the picture becomes more clear with each year that is added.

No idiot, we had this figured out pages ago, you're the only one who couldnt quite get that lightbulb to turn on. We've been providing examples of kids being murdered in these places over several years. You on the other hand have been stomping up and down insisting (because you refused to look at the rest of the cases) that because according to you and you alone 1999-2000 was safer in public schools, it was therefore safer all the time. This is why you didnt want to look at the cases from other years.

Because we are comparing schools. Wilderness programs typically last only a few weeks.
I think the data is useful and should be tracked, I just dont think it can counted the same as a school.

You don't think about alot of things, it changes nothing. These wilderness programs are lockdown facilities (even if they dont have fences) that have theraputic components. If they can be a member of NATSAP they can be included in our discussion. Case closed.

If I am not mistaken the Columbine Massacre occured on April 20, 1999. Our time frame is July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 so these figures would not be included.

I stand corrected. There, you see how easy that was? Why don't you try admitting you were wrong.

[RobertBruce]

Its not my data, no one owns it, it is just information. If it doesnt effect or interest you pass it over, thats what I do.....

You were misinformed, my daughter and I have never stopped speaking and we have a great relationship.

No it's not your data, its your misinformation, and we all know the truth never interest you, thank you for confirming that.

As to your relationship with your daughter if she didnt refuse to speak to you for two years why did you claim she did?

[TheWho]

Bob Wrote:

So then looking at your numbers it would appear that the odds are greater for a kid to die in a TBS than a public school.

That?s the beauty of data, Bob!!  Once you get it compiled it is time to start interpreting it, although we only have a single snap shot it can be looked at in may different ways:

You provided one here are a couple more:

:
Over !,922 children took their lives during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000.  There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, which they have, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do.  Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year there was one child who could not be reached and was lost to suicide.  Although TBS?s are seen as being extremely successful, there is always room for improvement, they are continuously improving their programs in an effort to reach and help every child in their care.
 
Another way to look at it:

Over 2,100 schools aged children fell victim to homicides during the period of July1, 1999 thru June 2000.   There are many interventions in place which try very hard to help these children and reduce these numbers, but as we can see there is still a lot of work to do.  Of the tens of thousands of children who are sent to Therapeutic Boarding schools (TBS) each year there has not been a single homicide during this time period.  TBS?s provide a safe environment for children to grow and mature

[RobertBruce]

Actually when we include all the wilderness programs and group homes that you'd rather we not include the number jumps up to 16 homicides during that time period.

Sorry Cindy you can try and spin it anyway you like you just can't change the reality that these places are much more dangerous than public schools.

No way around it.