The Fallen

[Anonymous]

How would you even begin to accomplish such a task with any degree of accuracy?

My bad, I forgot that "accuracy" is of no relavance to this project.

:rofl:  :rofl:

Someone has their panties in a wad :rofl:

[Valhalla]

formal begining for the the list of the fallen

"The Fallen"?  Dr. Fucktard's "Bodycount" is much more accurate, or maybe "The incomplete bodycount of those rumored to be dead compiled by a 'newcomer' to the bbs for no real reason aside to possibly make them feel productive as if they are contributing to something in some morbidly perverse way".  OK, Valhalla, maybe that was busting your chops alittle too harshly, but I don't like some of your reactions to what I have stated previously, either.

Yeah...ok, so it was harsh. I was harsh to you, too.  We obviously disagree on some things here.  And don't feel the need to reiterate all that you've said again...please.  I got it the first time around.  I respect your view on this.  And I hope that you will, somehow, respect mine...and my pathetic attempt to 'try' and compile a list of those to be remembered.  And just so you know, I am not into 'morbid perversity'...compiling this list (as it is now) was damn hard and really took it out of me in many ways.

Let's not repeat ourselves here anymore...okay?  

I hope you DO come to one of the Memorials...just to pay your repsects, to those YOU remember, with us.  I'll be at the VA one...it would be kinda nice, in a way, to finally meet the one who gave me such a hard time about all of this, but at an event and in a setting which were conducive to us both and our ideas of the ultimate purpose for this list.

[Anonymous]

Here a list, there a list, everywhere a list list. Some are more meaningful than others. The list in question here will mean whatever the hell it means to whoever the hell it does, however and whenever it pleases. Don't take it out on the list :exclaim: WTF :question:   It isn't the list's fault survivors of straight inc can't get along with each other on a message board created by straight inc survivors!    :roll:   :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Goddamn!!  Is this fucking list THAT goddamn important?  I thought this was supposed to be an informal memorial where people just felt free to pay their respects however they fucking choose to.  Now I'm hearing that someone is asking for 'firm RSVPs'??  Why?  Why does it matter?  Whoever shows up shows up.  Whoever doesn't, doesn't.  Why the need (and seemingly desperate need) for this list?  Sorry folks, I just don't see the importance and urgency of this list.  It's not going to be factual or correct.  Just things we've all heard with some very few exceptions.  Why does this have to be so fucking complicated?  Show up or don't.  Pay your respects in whatever way you choose or don't.  How complicated is that? :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Goddamn!!  Is this fucking list THAT goddamn important?  I thought this was supposed to be an informal memorial where people just felt free to pay their respects however they fucking choose to.  Now I'm hearing that someone is asking for 'firm RSVPs'??  Why?  Why does it matter?  Whoever shows up shows up.  Whoever doesn't, doesn't.  Why the need (and seemingly desperate need) for this list?  Sorry folks, I just don't see the importance and urgency of this list.  It's not going to be factual or correct.  Just things we've all heard with some very few exceptions.  Why does this have to be so fucking complicated?  Show up or don't.  Pay your respects in whatever way you choose or don't.  How complicated is that? :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Calm down, no need to get excited.  I'll try to answer your questions in order.  I think DOC SLOW was wanting RSVPs for the Atlanta memorial because he is driving from another state and doesn't want to make the trip just to show up at the site alone.  IT's as sinister as that.

The list, the list---what can I say about the list that hasn't already been said, other than a lot of folks, not everyone, thought it would be a good idea if we could get a complete list of the deceased.  Personally, I don't think it matters, but everyone is entitiled to their own opinion, etc.  I think there was some spirited disagreement, but that is to be expected, and is an indication of how emotionally chrged this event has become for many of us, which is understandable, given the nature of the event--this is a memorial service for departed friends and loved ones whose demise may have been hastened or precipitated by the abuses they suffered in Straight, Inc.  A little difference of opinion, which seems to have been accepted, if not resolved,  is of no real consequence in the face of the bond which brings us together in the first place.  Show me any gathering of three or more individuals that doesn't involve some differences in opinion and vocal disagreement, and I'll show you a mind-control cult.

Like you said, this is a chance for us to come together and pay our respects as we choose.  No one is being forced or coerced into attending, but I think it is a good opportunity to remember the dead and wounded, and to start to heal some wounds.

[Anonymous]

Goddamn!!  Is this fucking list THAT goddamn important?  I thought this was supposed to be an informal memorial where people just felt free to pay their respects however they fucking choose to.  Now I'm hearing that someone is asking for 'firm RSVPs'??  Why?  Why does it matter?  Whoever shows up shows up.  Whoever doesn't, doesn't.  Why the need (and seemingly desperate need) for this list?  Sorry folks, I just don't see the importance and urgency of this list.  It's not going to be factual or correct.  Just things we've all heard with some very few exceptions.  Why does this have to be so fucking complicated?  Show up or don't.  Pay your respects in whatever way you choose or don't.  How complicated is that? :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Calm down, no need to get excited.

I'm not excited, more frustrated.  I've been sitting back watching some of this play out and it just seems to be waaaaayyyyyyy more complicated than it should be.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.


 

I'll try to answer your questions in order.  I think DOC SLOW was wanting RSVPs for the Atlanta memorial because he is driving from another state and doesn't want to make the trip just to show up at the site alone.  IT's as sinister as that.

I wasn't trying to imply that there was anything sinister about it, although given circumstances it's not unrealistic, I was just wondering why it was so important.  If Doc is going there to pay his respects what does it matter if anyone else is there?

The list, the list---what can I say about the list that hasn't already been said, other than a lot of folks, not everyone, thought it would be a good idea if we could get a complete list of the deceased. Personally, I don't think it matters, but everyone is entitiled to their own opinion, etc.  I think there was some spirited disagreement, but that is to be expected, and is an indication of how emotionally chrged this event has become for many of us, which is understandable, given the nature of the event--this is a memorial service for departed friends and loved ones whose demise may have been hastened or precipitated by the abuses they suffered in Straight, Inc.  A little difference of opinion, which seems to have been accepted, if not resolved,  is of no real consequence in the face of the bond which brings us together in the first place.  Show me any gathering of three or more individuals that doesn't involve some differences in opinion and vocal disagreement, and I'll show you a mind-control cult.

I think what I highlighted is the most salient point you made.  Does it really matter that much for everyone to be so upset about it???

Like you said, this is a chance for us to come together and pay our respects as we choose.  No one is being forced or coerced into attending, but I think it is a good opportunity to remember the dead and wounded, and to start to heal some wounds.

Absolutely, but in our own way and our own time.  Again, this has gotten way more complicated than it should be.

[Anonymous]

[Like you said, this is a chance for us to come together and pay our respects as we choose.  No one is being forced or coerced into attending, but I think it is a good opportunity to remember the dead and wounded, and to start to heal some wounds.

Well of course not silly!!!!!!!  Nobody is being forced to attend.  There just seems to be a lot of parameters and rules about this and I'm just not understanding that.      At all.

[Anonymous]

Parameters and rules?  Where?  From what I can tell, it seems to be a pretty wide open venue for us to mourn or otherwise pay our respects, collectively and individually.  I don't see any parameters other than the place, date and time.  From what I understand, anyone who wishes to speak will be given an opportunity to do so.  I don't think there are any "rules or regulations" other than mutual respect and courtesy between attendees.

[Anonymous]

Nobody is being forced to attend.

No, but unfortunately those who attend will be forced to listen to Fr. Cassian spouting program dogma through his bullhorn from across the street.....

[starry-eyed pirate]

:rofl: His threats are all empty... His authority is false.  I'm still waitin' to hear him read excerpts from "Gone Way Down"...

pirate out. ::cheers::

[Fr. Cassian]

:rofl: His threats are all empty... His authority is false.  I'm still waitin' to hear him read excerpts from "Gone Way Down"...

pirate out. ::cheers::

This time around, my focus will be on The Serenity Prayer. ::dove::

But don't think that you druggies are going to leave without getting a BLOODY EARFUL of the Seven Steps before all is said and done!  ::bangin::

[Anonymous]

Well, since the Florida people will be somewhat close to your house Virgil, some of us just may stop by and share some feelings with you.

[Anonymous]

I'll be out and about that day..

Love ya! :wave:

-Virgil Miller Newton

[Anonymous]

That's fine too.  We've gotten to know a few of your neighbors quite well and they really don't like you.  We can work on expanding that and informing more of them of what a sadistic fuck they live next to. :wave:

[Anonymous]

Parameters and rules?  Where?  From what I can tell, it seems to be a pretty wide open venue for us to mourn or otherwise pay our respects, collectively and individually.  I don't see any parameters other than the place, date and time.  From what I understand, anyone who wishes to speak will be given an opportunity to do so.  I don't think there are any "rules or regulations" other than mutual respect and courtesy between attendees.

People wanting it held at the bldg. then others freaking out about that.  People inviting press, others freaking out about that.  People turning it into their personal 'gig', people freaking about that.  People wanting "firm RSVPs" because they don't want to be there alone.  Why not?  If the purpose is a memorial why does it matter who does or doesn't show?

It ain't that fucking complicated.  Pick a place......ANY place.  Show up.  Speak, don't speak.  I personally will leave immediately if press shows up though.