Author Topic: More bullshit advice from ST (Read 40898 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #75 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:17:27 PM »

Ah, and see, there's the rub.

You CAN'T quote Fornits threads and hurl them in our faces the way we do with you, because you're afraid of what we have to say and any Fornits quote on ST would stand out as an island of truth in a sea of crap. You can't even quote the more trolly posts, because someone might be curious as to what the responses were.

In other words, we can use the evidence of your posts, and you can't use the evidence of ours.

In a dispute where one side can use evidence and the other needs to resort to unsupported assertions, guess which side is right and which is wrong?

Hell, even my name is the mark of someone who obviously doesn't play by your rules. Why don't you mention the Milk Gargling Death Penalty on ST, I wonder?

Anonymous · « **Reply #76 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:29:38 PM »

Afraid of what you have to say? That's hilarious. When someone isn't quoted it is because they don't have anything worthwhile to say. Troll on.

Anonymous · « **Reply #77 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:35:43 PM »

Then why do you mention Fornits at all?

I mean, anyone reading Fornits will know what's wrong with ST. The control-freak pharases are carefully and painstakingly highlighted by our resident anons and regulars.

But other than blanket statements, you really can't discuss us on ST at all. Not even for reference. Not even after our members have reamed the shit out of HLA.

Oh wait, you can't even discuss specific programs at all there.

(Now even the programmies can see what that causes to pop up.)

Face it. The only reason you're even posting on this thread at all is because you want to whine about people pointing out what the hell is wrong with you.

Anonymous · « **Reply #78 on:** September 20, 2006, 05:53:41 PM »

How was school today, Milk?

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #79 on:** September 20, 2006, 06:13:40 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

so glad that you guys on Fornits have nothing better to do than to troll ST (something you accuse us of all the the time).
We don't resort to posting and quoting your threads to suit our agendas, but hey, go knock yourselves out............

We cant troll ST.

You BANNED US FROM POSTING THERE AT ALL!

You hide behind lies and when pushed, come out and say youre "support for parents, not to hold programs accountable" and then hurl insultsat us without letting us defend ourselves on your HEAVILY censored forum.

So, again, WTF are you even speaking for?

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #80 on:** September 20, 2006, 06:16:22 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Afraid of what you have to say? That's hilarious. When someone isn't quoted it is because they don't have anything worthwhile to say. Troll on.

How Quaint.

I spoke of facts and logic there and I got banned for ruffling feathers.

Its just a hen house of parents looking for an emotional teat to suck on and fond it in Lon's Forum, while getting validation from everyone else with a severe case of cognitive dissonance about the program and encouragement to keep your kid locked up in a program

:cry2: The worlds tiniest violin is playing for ya, bub.

Dr Phil · « **Reply #81 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:03:45 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

so glad that you guys on Fornits have nothing better to do than to troll ST (something you accuse us of all the the time).
We don't resort to posting and quoting your threads to suit our agendas, but hey, go knock yourselves out............

and so glad that you guys at ST have nothing better to do than to check the posts about trolling ST :rofl:

Anonymous · « **Reply #82 on:** September 20, 2006, 11:21:49 PM »

I'm sorry, but kids just don't ~deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses!

Troll Control · « **Reply #83 on:** September 27, 2006, 03:40:43 PM »

Here's another gem of wisdom...

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mose
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posted September 27, 2006 12:13 PM
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Non Parent
Exactly what is your point of continuing to beat a dead horse; we should listen to you and not help our kids in a way you disapprove?

It has been stated by many of us that we all try very hard to work all the home and community remedies and they did not work. Therefore, we try the next thing that you claim does not work. That is our prerogative as a parents to add one more thing to the list of stuff we have tried.

When you have a troubled out of control child you can do whatever you wish.

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Have you tried beating your kid with a rubber hose? How about a stun gun, mose, you dumb cocksucker?

God, your kids must fucking hate you.

Anonymous · « **Reply #84 on:** September 27, 2006, 03:47:47 PM »

That whole thread is really sad.

http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... 2;t=001285

Anonymous · « **Reply #85 on:** September 27, 2006, 04:38:50 PM »

Whoever is registered over there please post this in response to HappyThey'reAlive. They asked for studies showing these places can be harmful.

http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004Youth ... 23html.htm

The evidence indicates that ?scare tactics? don?t work and there is some evidence that they may make the problem worse rather than simply not working. One of the hazards of the juvenile court system is the impact of having a record on the child?s subsequent life course. Such evidence as there is indicates that group detention centers, boot camps, and other ?get tough? programs can provide an opportunity for delinquent youth to amplify negative effects on each other. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reviewed evidence that indicates that laws increasing the ease of transferring juveniles to the adult judicial system are counterproductive and lead to greater violence in the juveniles moving through the adult systems without deterring juveniles in the general population from violent crime.

In other fields, it has been shown that identifying children as being at risk has its own hazards. Labeling a child as deficient in some respect may lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Researchers must be certain that similar problems do not happen here.

Ineffective programs may not harm the participants directly (although some do) but they may have an important toxic effect nonetheless; namely the ?opportunity cost? of funds misspent on an unsuitable program that might have been spent on an effective one.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #86 on:** September 27, 2006, 05:19:28 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Whoever is registered over there please post this in response to HappyThey'reAlive. They asked for studies showing these places can be harmful.

http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004Youth ... 23html.htm

The evidence indicates that ?scare tactics? don?t work and there is some evidence that they may make the problem worse rather than simply not working. One of the hazards of the juvenile court system is the impact of having a record on the child?s subsequent life course. Such evidence as there is indicates that group detention centers, boot camps, and other ?get tough? programs can provide an opportunity for delinquent youth to amplify negative effects on each other. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reviewed evidence that indicates that laws increasing the ease of transferring juveniles to the adult judicial system are counterproductive and lead to greater violence in the juveniles moving through the adult systems without deterring juveniles in the general population from violent crime.

In other fields, it has been shown that identifying children as being at risk has its own hazards. Labeling a child as deficient in some respect may lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Researchers must be certain that similar problems do not happen here.

Ineffective programs may not harm the participants directly (although some do) but they may have an important toxic effect nonetheless; namely the ?opportunity cost? of funds misspent on an unsuitable program that might have been spent on an effective one.

You're letting them spin the burden of proof again.

They still can't prove they work after 30 fucking years to do so! That ALONE is damning enough, but go figure, we also have to go and prove they DON'T work... and yet we can do that.

Don't forget that STRAIGHT had higher cocaine use after its program than beofre it, the shit with the Shapiro student study... and the fact that all the program information is a fucking consumer satisfaction SURVEY given to graduate parents, as if thats indicative of effectiveness or whats really going on.

That, and that it actually agrees with the very thing we're accusing - its not therapy, its just brainwashing.

I believe a big fat DURR?? is in order, mostly because nobody there knows how to argue or debate at all.

Troll Control · « **Reply #87 on:** September 28, 2006, 07:42:01 AM »

This guy is a piece of work. Have you ever seen anyone get so angry just because they can't have the ONLY viewpoint?

Willie, you are a fucking moron. No wonder your kid is so screwed up. Just look at the example you set, you fucking cock-blower.

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posted September 27, 2006 03:52 PM
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This 'debate' is really getting tiresome. Like in the past the best tactic, though I know difficult to do, is probably to ignore further abusive attacks.

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Non Prophet
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posted September 27, 2006 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Rochelle:
This 'debate' is really getting tiresome. Like in the past the best tactic, though I know difficult to do, is probably to ignore further abusive attacks.
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Thank you, Rochelle. This is good advice. From here on out I am going to ignore both Willie and mose.

In any case, wasn't this thread about behavior modification?

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WillieNelson
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posted September 27, 2006 05:51 PM
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I actually think the suggestion was to ignore you, Non Prophet, since your only purpose in venturing away from your home site is to antagonize and upset the parent-posters over here. (yep, that was an ad hominem attack) Your self-proclaimed expertise doesn't seem to carry much weight here. Go to your keyboard and type w w w . f o r n i t s . c o m and you will receive the validation you are so desperately seeking.
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Troll Control · « **Reply #88 on:** September 28, 2006, 11:26:43 AM »

what's really funny is that willie is from nashville, but he's so dumb that he thinks it's "way up north." way to go willie, you're a failure of a parent and dumb as a sack of doorknobs to boot. dealing with someone as incredibly stupid as you is like dragging a bag of rocks up a hill.

Anonymous · « **Reply #89 on:** September 30, 2006, 06:27:36 PM »

Hi all, I haven't posted here in awhile, but wanted to say something. Because I sent my son to a wilderness and a TBS, he graduated from high school with almost straight A's, and now is in a community college, and living in a dorm and doing well. All I can say is that what I did, I did for him, so that he would have a future. He had dropped out of high school and was running around all times of the night with kids and drugs. He is doing so much better. One of the friends that he hung out with here, is now in prison. So glad my son is not there with him.

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