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« Reply #105 on: September 30, 2006, 07:58:12 PM »
You going to post a reply, or do you now have the info you wanted in the first place?
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« Reply #106 on: September 30, 2006, 08:53:11 PM »
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I asked if you are a parent or a kid, and all you said was yes, so which are you??

The name of the TBS is:  Tyler Ranch, in Spokane, WA

There, you have it, ok?


I told you not to post here!
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« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2006, 09:12:52 PM »
:rofl:
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« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2006, 10:30:20 PM »
Well, if it's isn't good ole LESLIE, here yak, yak, yaking about her little ole son, Gregg.
Can't you leave that boy alone, Leslie girl, and quit yakking about him?.  Good he's at community college, and all that.
But no one cares if you can't get along over on ST...and if your pal Karen has kicked your whiny but to the curb.
Get lost.
And here's your usual advise that you just can't follow: STFU
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« Reply #109 on: October 01, 2006, 09:53:27 AM »
Yup, I recognized Leslie's writing and story from the post on the thread. Glad to see Gregg is in college and moving on. Glad to see that you (Leslie) moved on from ST. I was off Fornit's most of the summer as well. My son was staying with me and I wanted to spend my time with him, not here.

What I don't understand is why you bother to tolerate the hate spewed responses or bother to defend yourself. You don't have to. You did what you did.

Mind you, I am no fan of these tough-love programs. They may work for some and harm others, but to me that is not really relevant. It is what they do to the kids during their stay that bothers me. It's the philosphy behind the programs that really bothers and scares me.
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« Reply #110 on: October 01, 2006, 01:43:23 PM »
Never ceases to amaze...
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« Reply #111 on: October 01, 2006, 01:47:38 PM »
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Carefull what you say Mose, they have quoted from what you have said on here.
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Dear Leslie,
I have nothing to be careful about.
That is what they do when they are banished from this site for making unsubstantiated claims and allegations and baiting parents on this board.

I do not want to be informed again what they are doing. I would appreciate if you did not give me updates or mention me over there. I am sure Karen from Dallas does not appreciate you making snide remarks about her private posts to you when she was so gracious and helpful to extend her hand and send you private emails.

In my opinion, I think you would be better served if you started taking care of your emotional well-being and stopped being the whipping boy for the people on that site.

Thank You,
Mose

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this "mose" shows signs of a serious psychological disorder.

amazing how "mose" just flogs "Leslie" and then tells "Leslie" she's the whipping-child of this board.  then "mose" goes on to air a private conversation between "Leslie" and "Karen" (speaking for Karen, too) while simultaneously condemning "Leslie" for the same behavior.  wow, "mose," that's some seriously disturbed thinking there, buddy.

"mose," whoever you are, you are one very, very disturbed person.  to think that you ever had control over anyone, like your children, is frightening.
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« Reply #112 on: October 01, 2006, 02:10:54 PM »
Typical that Jena would delete all of Non Prophets posts for not citing the studies mentioned, before first requesting the links.

Also interesting, HappyTheyreAlive believes that Behrens "survey/study" was independent.

The study implies that NATSAP programs are "licensed". How many are licensed? Their flagship program, HLA, isn?t and hasn't been since its inception.
This was not an Independent study. One must consider the author?s connections with the industry.

C Smoot employed by AEG and serveral other RTCs.
Smoot and Behrens co-create Evidence Based Consulting.
Behrens Clinical Director for AEG's Youth Care program, Member NATSAP.
Smoots 'partner' with AEGs Youth Care program.
Smoots are 'associates' of Open Sky Wilderness, Member NATSAP.
Behrens creates Canyon Research and Consulting- most of their clients are AEG programs.
Smoot and Behrens pitch EBC to NATSAP.
Dr. Kevin Fenstermacher employed by both EBC and CRC.

Looks more like a concerted effort to shore up the industry?s reputation, and give parents a false sense of security.

Who is Ellen Behrens, lead researcher at Canyon Research & Consulting, Salt Lake City, Utah?

Sept 2005- AEG?s Youth Care in Draper, Utah ?partners? with Evidence Based Consulting (EBC), a group of psychologists. (Only 2 listed- Tracine and Carl Smoot)- committed to fulfilling the National Institute of Mental Health's agenda for the application of evidence-based research in testing, assessment and treatment.
This is how the innovative partnership works: EBC provides testing services for Youth Care students by using up-to-date psychological tests, interpretive strategies, and treatment recommendations that are suggested in the research literature. In collaboration with Youth Care therapists, a strategic treatment plan is developed, utilizing research-based practices and measurements. The additional perspective of EBC psychologists provides the best possible assessments and treatment for Youth Care students.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5186.shtml

More on Evidence Based Consulting
http://www.evidencebasedconsulting.com/

Behrens, Clinical Dir of Youth Care
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=218094#218094

Smoot?s are ?Associates? of Open Sky Wilderness
Prior to completing his graduate work, Carl was employed in hospital management. He successfully ran two inpatient psychiatry programs and was later a therapist at (AEGs) Youth Care, Inc.
http://www.openskywilderness.com/assoc.htm

Oct 2005- AEG hosts workshop in Utah. One of the guest speakers:
Ellen Behrens, PhD discussed out of home treatment outcome research. She is the co-founder of Evidence Based Consulting. Behrens was the principal investigator for a large, multi-center study on student outcomes in residential treatment.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5204.shtml

June ?05 Ellen Behrens and Tracine Smoot pitch ?Evidence-based Practice? to NATSAP members.
http://www.natsap.org/Newsletters/NATSA ... letter.pdf

Dr. Kevin Fenstermacher works for both ?Evidence Based Consulting? (Smoots) and ?Canyon Research and Consulting? (Behrens).
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html
http://psychologicalsolutions.info/exec ... 0team.html

Who are CRCs clients? And, who funded this study?
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html
A whole slew of AEG programs.

Under Links at CRCs website one is taken to the APAs Empirically Supported Treatments page. http://www.apa.org/divisions/div12/rev_est/index.html
Their recommendations, under Oppositional Disorders:
Because the immediate goal of treatment is to develop parenting skills, the therapist begins by having parents apply new skills to relatively simple problems (e.g., compliance, completion of chores, oppositional behavior). As parents become proficient using the initial techniques, the child's most serious problem behaviors at home and in school are addressed (e.g., fighting, poor school performance, truancy, stealing, firesetting). In most PMT (PARENT Management Training) programs, the therapist maintains close telephone contact with the parents in-between sessions. These contacts are used to encourage parents to ask questions about the home programs, to provide an opportunity for the therapist to prompt compliance with the behavior-change programs and reinforce parents' use of the skills, to strengthen the therapeutic alliance, and to allow the therapist to problem-solve when programs are not modifying child behavior effectively.

II. Summary of Studies Supporting Treatment Efficacy
PMT is one of the most extensively studied therapies for children and has been shown to be effective in decreasing oppositional, aggressive, and antisocial behavior (for reviews of research, see Dumas, 1989; Forehand & Long, 1988; Kazdin, 1985; Miller & Prinz, 1990; Moreland, Schwebel, Beck, & Wells, 1982). Randomized controlled trials have found that PMT is more effective in changing antisocial behavior and promoting prosocial behavior than many other treatments (e.g. relationship, play therapy, family therapies, varied community services) and control conditions (e.g. waiting-list, "attention-placebo"). Follow-up data have shown that gains are maintained from posttreatment to 1 and 3 years after treatment has ended. One research team found that noncompliant children treated by parent training were functioning as well as nonclinic individuals approximately 14 years later (Long, Forehand, Wierson, & Morgan, 1994). The benefits of PMT often generalize to areas that are not focused on directly during therapy. For example, improvements in parental adjustment and functioning, marital satisfaction, and sibling behavior have been found following therapy. Overall, perhaps no other technique has been as carefully documented and empirically supported as PMT in treating conduct problems.
A unique feature of PMT is the abundance of research on child, parent, and family factors that moderate treatment effects. Moreover, PMT, either alone or in combination with other techniques, has been applied with promising effects to other populations including autistic children, mentally retarded children and adolescents, adjudicated delinquents, and parents who physically abuse their children. The principles and procedures on which PMT relies have also been applied in many settings including schools, institutions, community homes, day-care facilities, and facilities for the elderly.
http://www.apa.org/divisions/div12/rev_ ... child.html

One must also consider the report presented August 12 at the American Psychological Association Convention by Allison Pinto PhD.
http://apinto.blog.usf.edu/2006/08/21/e ... -treatment
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #113 on: October 01, 2006, 09:09:34 PM »
Well, Leslie needs to grow up; posting here and then "tattle-telling on ST" is just childish, silly behavior. And, what's the point? No one here cares.
Leslie has been informed that revealing every, single detail about her son is just not wise, and could be harmful to her relationship with her son.  What is it about that she doesn't get?
No one has asked for a blow-by-blow account of this young man's life; and he deserves some privacy and respect....
Nor, does anyone care about this woman's drug problems, her ex-husband, or any of the other personal things she rants about.
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« Reply #114 on: October 01, 2006, 09:17:47 PM »
Incorrect.  The armchair "mental health professionals" on this site begged her for information and then used it against her. This is tantamount to picking on the kids on the "short bus."  And, if you really care about her kid then you will stop naming him just to prove your point.  She needs to stop and so do all of you.
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« Reply #115 on: October 01, 2006, 10:30:27 PM »
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Incorrect.  The armchair "mental health professionals" on this site begged her for information and then used it against her. This is tantamount to picking on the kids on the "short bus."  And, if you really care about her kid then you will stop naming him just to prove your point.  She needs to stop and so do all of you.


Ou Contraire! (yeah I prolly fucked that up)

You know what the real purpose of fornits is to do, right?

SHOW HOW FUCKED UP THE INDUSTRY IS!

Its doing a damn fine job of showing just how messed up it all is by letting people speak openly. I bet this dialogue has scared off many a befuddled parent, and will continue to scare off many more. ;)
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #116 on: October 01, 2006, 10:33:09 PM »
What really scares people off are all of the colored people on this board. I'm getting scared just talking about them... Shit! Here comes one of them now!!!! :scared:
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« Reply #117 on: October 02, 2006, 02:36:10 AM »
Whatever everyone, I just came back for a bit, but see that everything is the same, and people from ST telling me not to post here either.  

whatever
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« Reply #118 on: October 02, 2006, 08:51:49 AM »
Leslie, are you bipolar by any chance?  You seem to have some real issues.  We don't want you here- ST doesn't want you there. What's the common denominator?   Are you wanting your very own thread?  You deserved the ass-ripping Mose gave you and I'm sure Karen and the others are doing the same thing privately, unless they have given up in disgust.  Aren't you the very same Leslie that vowed never to post here again.  You are a complete fool, which is why it is easy to see why young Gregg turned to drugs. Shit-I want to turn to drugs everytime you show up here.
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« Reply #119 on: October 02, 2006, 09:03:11 AM »
What did she post on ST?  I tried to look but she deleted her posts.  Damn, I just went back and read from page 7 on when she started posting again.  What a friggin lunatic.
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