More bullshit advice from ST

[Anne Bonney]

I'm trying, I'm trying.  Go over to Hyde and the TREAT America threads, or start one of your own.

[Anonymous]

Anne,

I did go over to those threads but that is not my area of interest just now.  I'm in college and classes start again tomorrow - I don't want to get obsessed with an additional thread.  This one used to be good.  Thanks though.  This was going to be my goodbye speech and my offering of unsolicited advice.

[Anonymous]

Hey, now I agree with you to a certain extent but lay off Milk Gargling.  There's method to his madness.

Thanks.  I can tell that Milk is bright and I wish he could tone it down so that he could (might) be heard.  I'm a very tolerant person and I find myself skipping over his posts because they irritate me so much.

I support MGDP 100%.  I give him my endorsement without hesitation or restriction, hi-toned or otherwise.

I may have missed something...Dj, are you the moderator or something?  Do you oversee this thread?  I didn't think there was a moderator but I assume you are someone Milk looks up to.  What's your feeling on the other pathetic postings clogging up this thread?   If you are someone the younger kids look up to, then why don't you attempt to help them realize that the junk is detrimental to your cause?

[Anne Bonney]

They serve their purpose.  If you don't like them, skip over the posts and respond to those you do want to have a conversation with.  Fornits is brutal, always has been.  Not everyone has left and those that have didn't necessarily leave because of that.  Maybe it was just time for them to move on.  Put this shit to bed.

[Anonymous]

They serve their purpose.  If you don't like them, skip over the posts and respond to those you do want to have a conversation with.  Fornits is brutal, always has been.  Not everyone has left and those that have didn't necessarily leave because of that.  Maybe it was just time for them to move on.  Put this shit to bed.

Fine, I will.  I think being antagonistic will and certainly has hurt your cause.  Enough said.  Good luck, I was trying to help.  I'm in a good position to be helpful.  It's becoming difficult to use Fornits as a source when the average investigator has to wade through a bunch of crap.  Just a suggestion and, as I assumed, there's no room for differing opinions here---even people that agree that programs should be closed.

[Anonymous]

Of course you do DJ.  You are like the big brother that loves him unconditionally.  I'm referring to the newbies that come here and get turned off---mostly by Guest posters---but sometimes by him as well.  I think he has a lot to say and I wish he could reach more people that might listen to him if he couched his opinions in a more gentle way.

Funny, I didn't get 'turned off' until I started reading through your posts. Get a life.

[Anne Bonney]

Fine, I will.  I think being antagonistic will and certainly has hurt your cause.  Enough said.  Good luck, I was trying to help.  I'm in a good position to be helpful.  It's becoming difficult to use Fornits as a source when the average investigator has to wade through a bunch of crap.  Just a suggestion and, as I assumed, there's no room for differing opinions here---even people that agree that programs should be closed.

Now who's being antagonistic?  I said skip over the posts you don't like.  There are plenty of other sites (FICA, ISAC, NoSpank etc) that are "professional looking" or are more for informational purposes only or whatever...Fornits has it's place too, warts and all.  There really is no 'mission' here.  Just people talking.  I still manage to carry on a decent discussion.

[Anonymous]

CatLover5
Junior Member
Member # 5029

As I write this, my 17 year old son is being introduced to his 2 escorts. He is at his father's house, 2 miles away, and I am totally stressed out waiting to hear from his father that he is on his way to Montana for the WC we picked out for him.

How did so many of us end up here. I'm sure most of you are like Tom and myself, caring, loving parents (although we are divorced, but still friendly). Thank G-d for this website. Whenever I have questioned our drastic decision to have him sent away without his prior knowledge and to send him to the last place he'd pick to spend 2 days at, no less 45, I'm put at ease (at least a little) by some of the parents on this board that talk about how well their sons and daughters are doing after having been away and I am hopeful for my own son.

We have watched our son slowly disintegrate, particularly for the last 2 years, beyond our control. What are we all missing that there are so many of our children this out of control. And why is it that we are truly unaware of how many of the parents we run into are having the same problems. When I approached my son's high school to see where I could go for help they were unable to point me in any good direction. I live in the New York area...why are there not any parents groups out there for those of us who are desperate for advice! (phone is ringing....Dan is on his way to WC...apparently no big scene (thank you) he is no longer in our control but under someone's I have never met. This is the scarey part.

I now have 6 weeks to research TBS options and transition possibilities. I will be reviewing these discussion boards like crazy to pick all your brains. This will be my new focus. This is how I will deal with missing my son (those good times are still there, but rare).

Thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing your own personal experiences so the ones following in similar shoes have someone to turn to for help. I can only hope that I will be telling future readers of my son's great experiences with his WC and TBS and that his life is so much better because of it.

Wish us luck.

No, Catlover, you will not be telling future readers this. If you do, you will be lying like other posters such as KarenInDallas to protect your own ego. Now that you resorted to hiring kidnappers to forcibly take your son from your home, he will never trust you again. If he pretends to, it will be out of fear or for his own financial gain in the short term. Long term, your relationship with your son is over, forever. Go to temple and pray, because that is your only option left. If you dont believe me, try this thing we call empathy for a moment and think how you would feel toward your parents if they had you forcibly kidnapped. You are too afraid to talk to him, and he knows that.

More bullshit advice from ST, what a surpsise!

[Deborah]

 I'm only wishing that some of the bullshit that hides the real productive postings could go away because it's getting in the way of the true mission of this forum.

 

Everyone has their idea of what Fornits should or shouldn't be, but it is what it is. And contrary to the criticism, it is effective. It's also unique, nothing that compares. Not dissing other sites, the more the merrier. Many sites have folded over the years under the 'threat' of slapsuits. Fornits is still here.  

It's always a toss up of whether or not, on any given day, that Fornits posting will be more like chicken shit or chicken salad.

As 'warned' in the welcome:
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.

Warning: this website promotes anonymous posting and parent/ program bashing without accountability. Have at it!

[Anonymous]

As 'warned' in the welcome:
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.

Warning: this website promotes anonymous posting and parent/ program bashing without accountability. Have at it!

In other words, it's real. Something program parents try so desperately to avoid, reality.

[Anonymous]

Realities can be very different.  The reality Fornits presents has little relevance or interest to an intelligent person who wants to weigh both sides of an argument.  Fornits is the reality of a bunch of angry kids or functional kids who defend their position by going on the attack.  That is what the poster was trying to convey. Even those opposed to abusive or religious oriented teen programs are filled with disgust at this site. I assure you this is the majority reaction.

[Anonymous]

Yep, that's why you are posting here, and this is still the most popular teen torture industry site. Now go scurry off to whatever rock it is you live under, scurry away, little one.

[Anonymous]

Wow! So many people here really believe I care what they think.

Touching, really.

There is a method to my madness. I have a dual purpose in posting here: Expose and destroy the trolls, and piss people off enough to actually do something about these hellholes.

Number 1 seems to be working well, and number 2 I'll never be egotistical enough to take complete credit for.

[Troll Control]

Dadrod
Member
Member # 4316

  posted September 06, 2006 02:55 PM                        
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You are not a failure as a mum! You do have a right to feel disappointed. You also have a right to be angry, so long as you are angry at the "right" things. Kids get to choose lots of things, unfortunately some bad things among them. And too often parents don't get to control enough for the good of their children's future. Just don't blame yourself. (A prominent psychologist recently said that you can only blame when there is malicious intent.)

I agree that a good diagnosis is important, although I understand that it may be hard to get in England - at least of the type(s) usually obtained in the US.  ****i.e. a trumped-up BS label.  Idiot Rod doesn't care if it's a REAL Dx, only if it's useful in incarcerating a child**** If that is the case, a somewhat detailed description of his behaviors, moods and mood swings (including how long they last), etc, along with a history of his behavior changes should be helpful.

Most of the programs of the type folks here have had good experience with are in the US, and a few in elsewhere, but not in England. Given your comment on the attitude about being able to walk away from danger if over 10, I guess that ought not surprise greatly. A quick web search produced nothing there, save a small psychiatric hospital of which I know nothing.

What you described is consistent with smoking pot - and more, so whatever course of action you are able to take should consider that. Breaking a drug user of the habit is not quickly done though, and with a willing/motivated person, it often takes several tries, although I've seen a good wilderness program word "wonders" with many.

None of the good private programs in the US are cheap, but if you can afford them, you should be able to come up with some story of a special "vacation" to get him there. Failing that, you may be able to find a US-style therapist or counselor there who may have good local connections. When we were living in an "emerging economy" we were able to find a sort of "network" of specialists serving the ex-pat community (mostly American, in our case).

Whatever your course, you'll find support and hopefully useful advice here.

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Rod

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Posts: 183 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 2004  |  Logged: 152.163.100.204 |  

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Rod should be renamed "Lying Fucking Bastard"!

What do these idiotic parents think they're going to get from their kids when they model manipulation and deceipt???

Rod, you're a fucking moron, straight up.

[Anonymous]

Dadrod
Member
Member # 4316

  posted September 06, 2006 02:55 PM                        
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You are not a failure as a mum! You do have a right to feel disappointed. You also have a right to be angry, so long as you are angry at the "right" things. Kids get to choose lots of things, unfortunately some bad things among them. And too often parents don't get to control enough for the good of their children's future. Just don't blame yourself. (A prominent psychologist recently said that you can only blame when there is malicious intent.)

I agree that a good diagnosis is important, although I understand that it may be hard to get in England - at least of the type(s) usually obtained in the US.  ****i.e. a trumped-up BS label.  Idiot Rod doesn't care if it's a REAL Dx, only if it's useful in incarcerating a child**** If that is the case, a somewhat detailed description of his behaviors, moods and mood swings (including how long they last), etc, along with a history of his behavior changes should be helpful.

Most of the programs of the type folks here have had good experience with are in the US, and a few in elsewhere, but not in England. Given your comment on the attitude about being able to walk away from danger if over 10, I guess that ought not surprise greatly. A quick web search produced nothing there, save a small psychiatric hospital of which I know nothing.

What you described is consistent with smoking pot - and more, so whatever course of action you are able to take should consider that. Breaking a drug user of the habit is not quickly done though, and with a willing/motivated person, it often takes several tries, although I've seen a good wilderness program word "wonders" with many.

None of the good private programs in the US are cheap, but if you can afford them, you should be able to come up with some story of a special "vacation" to get him there. Failing that, you may be able to find a US-style therapist or counselor there who may have good local connections. When we were living in an "emerging economy" we were able to find a sort of "network" of specialists serving the ex-pat community (mostly American, in our case).

Whatever your course, you'll find support and hopefully useful advice here.

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Rod

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Posts: 183 | From: New York | Registered: Jul 2004  |  Logged: 152.163.100.204 |  

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Rod should be renamed "Lying Fucking Bastard"!

What do these idiotic parents think they're going to get from their kids when they model manipulation and deceipt???

Rod, you're a fucking moron, straight up.

Misery must truly love company because with the advice he is giving out I am sure there will be many more single parents with no kids anymore with PLENTY of time to sit around online giving advice. He advocates lying to your kid and having them locked up.. what a great dad.. rod.