The Who

[TheWho]

Who,
Did you participate in the survey?
Is your daughter considered on of Aspen's successes?

No I dont think so.  I filled out a follow-up of some sort but it was short, not much feedback was asked for, so I dont think it was a survey.
I dont know if she is considered one of their successes or not.  We had a show contact us and asked if we would be interested in being interviewed.  But we didnt do it.

[Anne Bonney]

So what you are saying is that we can't believe any of it.  If the producers or the ones in control decided they want to show good stuff, that?s what we will see, keeping the bad stuff behind close doors and if they want to air the bad stuff (sensationalism) they will hold back the success stories.  I see what you are saying.  Personally if they showed kids eating Filet Mignon every night on White linen singing ?Rain drops on roses? I don?t think I would believe it myself.

What I'm saying is that the producers and production staff have no clue what is going on inside.  They're shown what the programs want them to see.  Sure, the producers are going to pick the most shocking things but they can only choose those from what the programs allow them to see.

That?s the risk of TV the truth can be a little blurred or not there at all.

There is nothing blurry about using a wrist lock on a kid.  Nothing blurry about pinning them to the ground.  At all.

[RobertBruce]

This is no different then when HLA used to hide away the more vocal students whenever parents or Ed cons would show up.

[TheWho]

So what you are saying is that we can't believe any of it.  If the producers or the ones in control decided they want to show good stuff, that?s what we will see, keeping the bad stuff behind close doors and if they want to air the bad stuff (sensationalism) they will hold back the success stories.  I see what you are saying.  Personally if they showed kids eating Filet Mignon every night on White linen singing ?Rain drops on roses? I don?t think I would believe it myself.

What I'm saying is that the producers and production staff have no clue what is going on inside.  They're shown what the programs want them to see.  Sure, the producers are going to pick the most shocking things but they can only choose those from what the programs allow them to see.

That?s the risk of TV the truth can be a little blurred or not there at all.

There is nothing blurry about using a wrist lock on a kid.  Nothing blurry about pinning them to the ground.  At all.

I think we agree on some level, If they were looking at footage for the next show and they had a choice of the nice interview with a girl talking about how the school turned her life around and the colleges she got excepted to or the footage of another kid flipping out, bang is chair on the table because they wont serve him donuts for lunch as he is accustomed to at home with 2 counselors trying to calm him down grabing his arms so he doesnt take some other kids head off with the chair....... which one would get the thumbs up and the air time?.  Which one depicts normal life?

everyone wants to put their best foot forward.  If a news crew were coming to my house to do an interview I am sure my wife would have the place redone.  Send the pesky dog to a neighbors house for a few hours, put flowers on the table etc.

[RobertBruce]

A clean house and a noisey dog is not the same thing as hiding a child and threatening them with silence you dumb piece of shit.

[Anne Bonney]

I think we agree on some level, If they were looking at footage for the next show and they had a choice of the nice interview with a girl talking about how the school turned her life around and the colleges she got excepted to or the footage of another kid flipping out, bang is chair on the table because they wont serve him donuts for lunch as he is accustomed to at home with 2 counselors trying to calm him down grabing his arms so he doesnt take some other kids head off with the chair....... which one would get the thumbs up and the air time?.  Which one depicts normal life?

No we don't.  We don't agree on any level.  Please don't say that again, it disturbs me greatly.

How typical that you would categorize the 'misbehaving' child like this.  It has to be some spoiled brat pissed off cuz he didn't get his donuts.  Couldn't possibly be a kid who simply doesn't buy into the bullshit, doesn't want to be there and is expressing that.  Nope.  It's obviously some ODD kid with "entitlement issues".  :roll:  :roll:  You're a cold fucking fish.

everyone wants to put their best foot forward.  If a news crew were coming to my house to do an interview I am sure my wife would have the place redone.  Send the pesky dog to a neighbors house for a few hours, put flowers on the table etc.

It's a little more than straightening up for dinner guests you obtuse idiot.  It's completely omitting the most crucial parts of the program.  The things that makes it 'work'......control and coersion.  Break 'em down, build 'em up.

[Troll Control]

TheWho wrote:

everyone wants to put their best foot forward. If a news crew were coming to my house to do an interview I am sure my wife would have the place redone. Send the pesky dog to a neighbors house for a few hours, put flowers on the table etc

Exactly, Who.  You'd make a false impression (essentially lie), just like the programs do.

They take the 'bad' kids and isolate them on restrictions while the campus is toured by those whom the program seeks to influence - Ed Cons, prospective parents, regulatory bodies, etc.

Finally, Who, you've proven the point Anne has been making as well as admitting you think it's fine and dandy that the programs misrepresent themselves to the public.  Thanks!  You said a mouthful, Jack.

[TheWho]

Wow, everyone is so sensitive today.  Its human nature to want to put your best foot forward and all businesses do it.  It doesn?t have to be considered a false impression if you don?t want the dog barking the whole time you are trying to talk.  I brought up the kids with the donuts because it happens to be a true occurrence, it happened when my daughter was there.  Why does it have to be an disturbance that you choose?
There is no break them down build them up at ASR!!!  I agree that may be the only way to change someone?s mind who doesn?t want to be changed, but what if you show the kids a better way and they attach on to that and learn from it and change their behavior?  If they don?t attach or embrace a new way of living the program will not work for them.  If they did what you say and break them all down and build them up again all the kids would be the same and all graduate like clockwork.  But some leave the program others have extended stays, some leave early, some go to college others don?t, some get worse others don?t get helped at all.
No need to name call.  I haven?t called you names and I am just as frustrated with your lack of understanding.  You assume too much.

[Deborah]

There is no break them down build them up at ASR!!!  I agree that may be the only way to change someone?s mind who doesn?t want to be changed, but what if you show the kids a better way and they attach on to that and learn from it and change their behavior?

What better way did your daughter attach to in order to change her behavior?

If they did what you say and break them all down and build them up again all the kids would be the same and all graduate like clockwork.

Not necessarily. Sometimes they break them down and leave them raw and vulnerable. 'Program resistent' kids are prone to be sent to wilderness and/or another gulag.

No need to name call.

Why bother? Asking not be called names is asking TO be called names.

[Nihilanthic]

"Break down and build up" is bullshit. Emotional scarring and trauma are not good things.

Sure, you can be 'stronger and better' as a result, but you can be a perfectly good person without suffering and going through shit, and the tolerance for suffering you get as a result of going through it doesn't really make up for what you had to go through instead of having joy in your life during the period of time you were suffering.

[RobertBruce]

And you talk about things you know nothing about and refuse to back up anything you fucking retard!

Are you saying you're okay with programs hiding kids away and threatening them into silence in order to show people a perspective that is not accurate?

[Anne Bonney]

Wow, everyone is so sensitive today.  Its human nature to want to put your best foot forward and all businesses do it.  It doesn?t have to be considered a false impression if you don?t want the dog barking the whole time you are trying to talk.  I brought up the kids with the donuts because it happens to be a true occurrence, it happened when my daughter was there.  Why does it have to be an disturbance that you choose?

Why do the situations YOU choose always end up with it being because the kid is a spoiled brat?  The things I described DO happen....every day, in programs all over the country.  This is not the case of a mortgage company putting it's best foot forward.  They're dealing with children and making all kinds of claims of fixing them.  They're fucking with their psyche.

There is no break them down build them up at ASR!!!

LGAT-style seminars. That's what they do.


 

I agree that may be the only way to change someone?s mind who doesn?t want to be changed, but what if you show the kids a better way and they attach on to that and learn from it and change their behavior?

That's what parenting and the process of growing up is for.  Why do you people insist that someone else can better parent your child?

 

If they don?t attach or embrace a new way of living the program will not work for them.

Yes, that's true.  And what happens to these kids who do not embrace this new way of living?  How are they dealt with?  What are they told will happen to them if they don't[/b] climb on board?

 

If they did what you say and break them all down and build them up again all the kids would be the same and all graduate like clockwork.  But some leave the program others have extended stays, some leave early, some go to college others don?t, some get worse others don?t get helped at all.

How do you figure that?  Abuse, coersion and torture effect different people different ways.  My stepdad is a Viet Nam vet who's best friend served with him for 2 tours.  They witnessed and experienced virtually the same things when they were there yet they are very differently effected by it.

No need to name call.  I haven?t called you names and I am just as frustrated with your lack of understanding.  You assume too much.

No, we've just dealt with you and your self-righteous, dismissive and condescending tone for far too long.

[TheWho]

"Break down and build up" is bullshit. Emotional scarring and trauma are not good things.

Sure, you can be 'stronger and better' as a result, but you can be a perfectly good person without suffering and going through shit, and the tolerance for suffering you get as a result of going through it doesn't really make up for what you had to go through instead of having joy in your life during the period of time you were suffering.

 Many kids grow and suffer at home.  Trying to get thru the teenage years is difficult at best and their can be much pain involved as they grow.  The pain and suffering may not be the result of the school but may be natural maturation.  I think we can all point to many kids we knew who grew and matured at home and it wasnt considered a joyous occasion.

[Anne Bonney]

Many kids grow and suffer at home.  Trying to get thru the teenage years is difficult at beast and their ican much pain involved as they grow.

That's the natural process that is supposed to happen.  You guys take that away when you ship these kids off.

 

The pain and suffering may not be the result of the school but may be natural maturation.  I think we can all point to many kids we knew who grew and matured at home and it wasnt considered a joyous occasion.

I've used this analogy before but it fits.  I was raped when I was 15.  It made me stronger eventually.  I sure would go back in time and remove that night from my life if I could though.  Whatever growth comes from abuse isn't worth it.

[TheWho]

Yes, that's true. And what happens to these kids who do not embrace this new way of living? How are they dealt with? What are they told will happen to them if they don't climb on board?

They don?t improve and some leave the program others eventually catch on.  You need to remember every school isn?t a good match for every kid.

Why do the situations YOU choose always end up with it being because the kid is a spoiled brat?

I am not saying he was spoiled, just use to a different , unhealthy lifestyle.  We can change it to ?  A kid banging his chair on the table because he is being forced to do something he doesn?t want to do?

No, we've just dealt with you and your self-righteous, dismissive and condescending tone for far too long.

And you have not dismissed that TBS?s are good for some kids?