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« Reply #525 on: January 11, 2007, 10:39:58 PM »
In fact, many people thought Brat Camp was a staged reality TV show. It's advertised as such all over the internet. But... In fact it is classified as a documentary.... documercial to be more exact.

2004 GRIERSON AWARD
BRAT CAMP series
Shortlisted, Best Documentary Series or Strand.

Tamara Abood, producer for London based Twenty Twenty Television, which created Brat Camp, says antisocial behavior among teen and issues of family breakdown were grabbing headlines and political attention in Britain at the time the show was being conceptualized. "The idea was to show how our cousins across the water tackle these issues," Abbod says. "We wanted to educate and inform families."....

Redcliff claims they were hesitant...and... "The thing that swayed us more than anything else is we were promised we would have therapeutic control over how things would go," he says. "We told the company we would not alter the program or stage events. We were going to do whatever was necessary to make sure it was in the child's best interest. We were there to provide treatment."

When Redcliff was asked to do a sequel they declined, "For a program to continue to be successful on TV it need to continually up itself the next season. When you're dealing with troubled kids and the wilderness, the only things we could think of were tougher kids or worse weather. We're not willing to take that risk."

Don't ya know they weren't.
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« Reply #526 on: January 11, 2007, 10:49:25 PM »
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I knew I hated it, but I'd have told you that I "needed" it.  That it "helped me realize things about myself" and "challenged me to find my true potential".  I've heard and said everything that you are in defense of Straight.  


Ugh, gawwd.  Re-reading that made me want to throw up.

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« Reply #527 on: January 11, 2007, 11:05:47 PM »
Brat Camp executive producer Arnold Shapiro has legitimate credentials. He produced the landmark Scared Straight documentary that won an Oscar in 1978 bringing troubled kids face-to-face with hardened criminals in a real prison to steer them from a life of crime. On the other side, his name is also associated with Big Brother and Blow Out, reality TV at its worst.
Shapiro said Brat Camp (a name he was stuck with contractually when the show concept was imported from England) is a serious documentary that will offer hope to thousands of parents dealing with troubled, ill-mannered children.

Redcliff says it's a Documentary and takes it pretty damn seriously
http://www.redcliffascent.com/brat_camp_history.html

SUWS calls it a Documentary
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/press-release.html

as do all these other programs:

SageWalk was chosen for the Brat Camp series because our exciting, powerful, and transformational wilderness school is one of the most effective programs for reaching teens struggilng with behavior and academics.
http://www.sagewalk.com/bratcamp/

Mountain Homes Youth Ranch works with the same types of youth who would qualify for the popular TV show "Brat Camp".
http://www.mhyr.com/brat_camp.html?gcli ... JAodpWA_9A

Oh hell, that's enough. Point made.
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« Reply #528 on: January 11, 2007, 11:07:30 PM »
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Oh hell, that's enough. Point made.


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« Reply #529 on: January 11, 2007, 11:31:53 PM »
Not for this idiiot it isnt. Cindy you cry about us dismissing your claims yet you forget you repeatedly upon first arriving made it a point to discuss matters and programs you know nothing about.

I guess some things never change.

Cindy you may also want to bear in mind that you were told to no longer discuss the Brat Camp show, you never saw it thus you know nothing about it. Shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #530 on: January 12, 2007, 12:26:09 AM »
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Oversight is great, but this isnt the whole answer. Take a look at our public sector, are our kids safe in the public school system? No. Are they safer in a TBS setting, it is ovwewhelmingly Yes !! But unfortunately we hear from more of the unhappy experiences than the successful ones.


Most schools are safe. In fact, a child is more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the community or at home than at school. In particular, homicides in school are extremely rare events.
- US Dept of Education annual report

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again I agree, you cant change anyone against their will....
Yes you can. If you couldn't, these programs would not exist. Escorted children are changing against their will.
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But what if you educate them, guide them and show them a better way?
This is the preferred method. Forced participation in wilderness is not guidance. It is coersion. It is forcing someone to change against their will.

 
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I am a little skeptical.

No. You are not a little skeptical. You are in denial.
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« Reply #531 on: January 12, 2007, 03:20:41 AM »
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Well, as they say ?When in Rome??.?. This is how I found Fornits to work.   When I first started posting as well as many other first time parents along the way came here to tell their story it was dismissed also.  The feed back was negative.  Each time I answered someone?s question with how well my daughter was doing I was hit with ?Wait 5 years, she will kill you in your sleep?  ?Wait till the brain washing wears off, she was never helped, you will see?.  It seemed every negative experience needed to be attributed to the school and every positive growth needed to be attributed to natural maturation.   Everyone was skeptical of every positive statement because of what they had previously learned or heard, I guess.  If a new comer posted a bad experience there was instant acceptance of what they said no questions asked no need to prove they had a bad experience.
But anyway you can say I haven?t changed or gotten worse, but over the past 2 years I haven?t seen much of an effort to embrace or acknowledge the success or positive side of the TBS?s.  So I think there have been dismissals on both sides.


i find it interestinf when people say TBS worked. Even if your daugher went on to be the perfect kid and everyone loved each other afterward, this still does not make the practices of places like Brat camp or ASR ok.
Please Who tell me how you justify strip searching kids whether they are "in" for drugs or not?
What therapeudic benefit does banning perfectly normal wholesome freindships have? DJ and Tyrone in What it takes...
Why it is that nowhere else in the world has places where parents can pay people to punish kids for their misbehaviour? (with the exception of Britian if you count its branch of wellsprings)
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« Reply #532 on: January 12, 2007, 06:41:37 AM »
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SUWS calls it a Documentary
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/press-release.html


The program was a fake. Sherrie from "Britain?s Youngest Boozers" did not return home cured. In order to prevent her from speaking of the failure, she is presently detainee at Academy at Swift River (ASR) as a kind of prisoner of conscience. See:

http://www.aspeneducation.com/news-trevor.html
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« Reply #533 on: January 12, 2007, 08:33:30 AM »
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wow.. 3 seconds in..

"I CAN MAKE IT HURT!"

I missed that the first time around. Absolutely chilling. Im surprised that the English people aren't more horrified that Americans are roughing up their kids like this, jezus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN0fRnnq3bA

Watched this one again. What I didn't notice the first time around, look how young the kids or "counselors" on each side of her look! LOL They look like fucking high school kids! They look like they are not having any fun. Everyone, prospective staff, parents kids.. fucking run from this industry as fast as you can!


The first thing that struck me here (besides the distress of the child) was two staff simultaneously wrist-locking both hands past 90 degrees which, if you know anything about kinesiology (or jiujitsu!), fucking hurts!
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« Reply #534 on: January 12, 2007, 09:59:11 AM »
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SUWS calls it a Documentary
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/press-release.html

The program was a fake. Sherrie from "Britain?s Youngest Boozers" did not return home cured. In order to prevent her from speaking of the failure, she is presently detainee at Academy at Swift River (ASR) as a kind of prisoner of conscience. See:

http://www.aspeneducation.com/news-trevor.html


As you said, the first one might have been a fake, I really cant say but  looks like ASR has allowed a 60 minutes types program to film progress at their school.  This should help calm the skeptics and give people a look at everyday life at ASR.  Does anyone know if it has been aired or not?  or if there is a schedule?
It wouldnt surprise me if it just fissled out, its pretty boring stuff compared with todays reality shows, no violence, drinking etc. just school, discussion groups, but I hope it pans out I would like to see it to see how things have changed.
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« Reply #535 on: January 12, 2007, 10:08:54 AM »
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SUWS calls it a Documentary
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/press-release.html

The program was a fake. Sherrie from "Britain?s Youngest Boozers" did not return home cured. In order to prevent her from speaking of the failure, she is presently detainee at Academy at Swift River (ASR) as a kind of prisoner of conscience. See:

http://www.aspeneducation.com/news-trevor.html

As you said, the first one might have been a fake, I really cant say but  looks like ASR has allowed a 60 minutes types program to film progress at their school.  This should help calm the skeptics and give people a look at everyday life at ASR.  Does anyone know if it has been aired or not?  or if there is a schedule?
It wouldnt surprise me if it just fissled out, its pretty boring stuff compared with todays reality shows, no violence, drinking etc. just school, discussion groups, but I hope it pans out I would like to see it to see how things have changed.


60 Minutes did a piece on Straight when I was there.  That was under Miller Newton's tenure and he was one of the worst abusers.  The shit that was going on behind closed doors in that program while Beth Polson (60 Minutes producer who later did the movie version of Newton's book "Gone Way Down Teenage Drug Use is a Disease"), Nancy Reagan and Princess Di were visiting was horrific.  All of it was successfully hidden from them.  What the viewers got was the version Straight wanted them to see.... obedient, repenting little delinquents reciting AA steps, singing nursery rhymes or newage crap and swearing Straight saved their lives.
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« Reply #536 on: January 12, 2007, 10:24:04 AM »
Who,
Did you participate in the survey?
Is your daughter considered on of Aspen's successes?
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« Reply #537 on: January 12, 2007, 10:26:54 AM »
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SUWS calls it a Documentary
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/press-release.html

The program was a fake. Sherrie from "Britain?s Youngest Boozers" did not return home cured. In order to prevent her from speaking of the failure, she is presently detainee at Academy at Swift River (ASR) as a kind of prisoner of conscience. See:

http://www.aspeneducation.com/news-trevor.html

As you said, the first one might have been a fake, I really cant say but  looks like ASR has allowed a 60 minutes types program to film progress at their school.  This should help calm the skeptics and give people a look at everyday life at ASR.  Does anyone know if it has been aired or not?  or if there is a schedule?
It wouldnt surprise me if it just fissled out, its pretty boring stuff compared with todays reality shows, no violence, drinking etc. just school, discussion groups, but I hope it pans out I would like to see it to see how things have changed.

60 Minutes did a piece on Straight when I was there.  That was under Miller Newton's tenure and he was one of the worst abusers.  The shit that was going on behind closed doors in that program while Beth Polson (60 Minutes producer who later did the movie version of Newton's book "Gone Way Down Teenage Drug Use is a Disease"), Nancy Reagan and Princess Di were visiting was horrific.  All of it was successfully hidden from them.  What the viewers got was the version Straight wanted them to see.... obedient, repenting little delinquents reciting AA steps, singing nursery rhymes or newage crap and swearing Straight saved their lives.



So what you are saying is that we can't believe any of it.  If the producers or the ones in control decided they want to show good stuff, that?s what we will see, keeping the bad stuff behind close doors and if they want to air the bad stuff (sensationalism) they will hold back the success stories.  I see what you are saying.  Personally if they showed kids eating Filet Mignon every night on White linen singing ?Rain drops on roses? I don?t think I would believe it myself.  That?s the risk of TV the truth can be a little blurred or not there at all.
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« Reply #538 on: January 12, 2007, 10:30:46 AM »
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I really cant say


Exactly, so shut the fuck up about it. Do you not understand Cindy you haven't a clue as to the reality of these places, thus you are in no position to talk about it.
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« Reply #539 on: January 12, 2007, 10:31:39 AM »
Cindy watch the show then comment on it, until then you really do need to stop talking about it.
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