The Who

[TheWho]

How about that 'deluxe edition' release of Live at Leeds, Who?

Is that some good live playing, or what?? Goddam, but The Who could fuckin'  jam! :smokin:

There's a lot of good music on those two CDs that was left off of the original LP release way back when. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the vinyl medium as much as the next old dude but this is a damned good "record" here. If you haven't heard it yet, you neeed to, Who.  :rofl:

I havent heard the Delux edition, just purchased the full DVD collection of ?Led Zepplin? a couple of weeks ago, I haven?t heard Album I in years.

 The Who could Jam, I caught them at the Spectrum in Philadelphia in 1973, I think.  It was their Quadraphenia tour, They cranked ?The real me? for about 30 minutes, I think, My generation, The sea.  When they finished up, no one screamed for an encore but just sat there silent for 10 minutes and lit what ever they had, lighter, candle etc. and finally the keyboard started on a dark stage and he played a 10 minute 20 minute intro to ?Wont be fooled again? then one by one ,Townsend, Entwistle came on stage, slow spotlight on Moon and  finally Daltry came flying across the stage on his knees screaming.  It was unbelievable.  It wasn?t my top concert but definitely top 5.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy stay focused. When are you going to back up your claims?

[Anonymous]

Fimbulwinter.

[Deborah]

I think like anything else you can get some bad people that need to be weeded out, some kids may get teased or singled out without just cause and have a bad experience which can draw a cloud over the entire industry..  But this is a problem across the whole spectrum of facilities, highschools, camps, summer programs etc. that are entrusted to educate our kids.

Nope, pretty sure all other institutions don't allow wrist locks and take downs unless the kid has a weapon in their hand.  The only other place I've noticed this is JJ boot camps and psych wards.
That wasn't an isolated incident, but standard operating procedure, else they would've edited out. An effort to show the kid in her worst light and desensitize the public so they support such barbaric 'treatment'.
Some parents would get off on their kid being tortured like that, the more discerning parent is interested in their child getting the legitimate therapy they were sold. And this is Aspen, lauded as the cream o' the crop. Imagine what goes on in other programs, and at Aspen when the cameras aren't rolling.

[TheWho]

I think like anything else you can get some bad people that need to be weeded out, some kids may get teased or singled out without just cause and have a bad experience which can draw a cloud over the entire industry..  But this is a problem across the whole spectrum of facilities, highschools, camps, summer programs etc. that are entrusted to educate our kids.

Nope, pretty sure all other institutions don't allow wrist locks and take downs unless the kid has a weapon in their hand.  The only other place I've noticed this is JJ boot camps and psych wards.
That wasn't an isolated incident, but standard operating procedure, else they would've edited out. An effort to show the kid in her worst light and desensitize the public so they support such barbaric 'treatment'.
Some parents would get off on their kid being tortured like that, the more discerning parent is interested in their child getting the legitimate therapy they were sold. And this is Aspen, lauded as the cream o' the crop. Imagine what goes on in other programs, and at Aspen when the cameras aren't rolling.

Hey Deb,  I don?t think it is very common.  They have had a few incidents in South Jersey where kids were taken down by police and a football coach who blindsided a kid for mouthing off, but it is few and far between.  Wristlocks I have never seen as acceptable anywhere, at least any I have been involved with or my family, I wouldn?t allow it.
I guess there would be some parents who would get off on seeing their kid hurt because I believe in a normal distribution of people but this would be at the tail end of the curve and very rare in my opinion.  All parents I have ever met only wish the best for their kids, I have never met or know anyone who met a parent who was out to harm their child or see them fail.

[RobertBruce]

Which program was it you subjected your daughter to again Cindy?

[AtomicAnt]

Its all perspective.  If you take a outdoor person who loves the dirt and hiking and put him in the city it might be comparably tough.  Its not the dirt, its taking a kid out of his comfortable environment and allowing him to accomplish something he/she probably never thought they could,i.e, start a fire, cook,  hike a few miles and at the same time learn something new about themselves, build self esteem, have a healthy diet.  Expose them to something new, It works Niles, its not for everyone, I agree, some get a lot out of it others do not.

Of course it is all just chuckles and giggles and self-esteem building. Just ask the girl who is screaming in pain as they torture her in the video posted earlier.

In your usual avoiding style, you failed to address the video and simply told how wonderful it all was for your daughter.

And Charly actually admits that it took took FIVE WEEKS for her son's anger to wear out. It took them five weeks to break him down.

Charly, Who, did they twist your kids wrists like Lucy in the video? Did your kids scream in pain? Don't say it doesn't happen. I just watched it.

If anyone did that to my kid, they would be answering to me pretty damn quick. I assure you they would regret laying a hand on my boy.

[RobertBruce]

Maybe Karen and Cindy just don't love or care about their kids. Maybe they were part of the group of parents that sent their kids there to be punished.  I guess that's why their kids hate them so much.

[Deborah]

I think like anything else you can get some bad people that need to be weeded out, some kids may get teased or singled out without just cause and have a bad experience which can draw a cloud over the entire industry..  But this is a problem across the whole spectrum of facilities, highschools, camps, summer programs etc. that are entrusted to educate our kids.

Nope, pretty sure all other institutions don't allow wrist locks and take downs unless the kid has a weapon in their hand.  The only other place I've noticed this is JJ boot camps and psych wards.
That wasn't an isolated incident, but standard operating procedure, else they would've edited out. An effort to show the kid in her worst light and desensitize the public so they support such barbaric 'treatment'.
Some parents would get off on their kid being tortured like that, the more discerning parent is interested in their child getting the legitimate therapy they were sold. And this is Aspen, lauded as the cream o' the crop. Imagine what goes on in other programs, and at Aspen when the cameras aren't rolling.

Hey Deb,  I don?t think it is very common.  They have had a few incidents in South Jersey where kids were taken down by police and a football coach who blindsided a kid for mouthing off, but it is few and far between.  Wristlocks I have never seen as acceptable anywhere, at least any I have been involved with or my family, I wouldn?t allow it.

You don't think wrist locks and take downs are common? And you base that comment on fact or deception? Perhaps you should consider some honest dialogue with your daughter, as Karen ventured to do with her son. If, you're ready for some 'hard truths'.

Got links to those stories? Cause I'd like to read what the coach was charged with. As for the cop, sorry not an institution, and sanctioned by law to do take downs in dangerous situations. (Not that they don't abuse and get off on it themselves- quiet a power rush for those who were repressed emotionally as children.)

As for the wristlock comment, I can't even guess what you're saying. Try again.

[TheWho]

Its all perspective.  If you take a outdoor person who loves the dirt and hiking and put him in the city it might be comparably tough.  Its not the dirt, its taking a kid out of his comfortable environment and allowing him to accomplish something he/she probably never thought they could,i.e, start a fire, cook,  hike a few miles and at the same time learn something new about themselves, build self esteem, have a healthy diet.  Expose them to something new, It works Niles, its not for everyone, I agree, some get a lot out of it others do not.

Of course it is all just chuckles and giggles and self-esteem building. Just ask the girl who is screaming in pain as they torture her in the video posted earlier.

In your usual avoiding style, you failed to address the video and simply told how wonderful it all was for your daughter.

And Charly actually admits that it took took FIVE WEEKS for her son's anger to wear out. It took them five weeks to break him down.

Charly, Who, did they twist your kids wrists like Lucy in the video? Did your kids scream in pain? Don't say it doesn't happen. I just watched it.

If anyone did that to my kid, they would be answering to me pretty damn quick. I assure you they would regret laying a hand on my boy.

I didn?t ignore it, I guess I am just desensitized because I have seen so much.  I dont think anyone is saying it doesnt happen.  What I disagree with is that this is regarded as somehow standard, unique to TBS?s or is written into their procedures somehow.  Lots of really bad and shocking stuff happens to kids at the local school level, suicide, raped by a teacher, teachers being shot, public humiliation, track coaches forcing kids to run until they drop and some dieing of heart attacks.  10 times worse than twisting wrists.  But when a prestigious school or controversial school or program has a problem it is put under a higher powered microscope.  I think it is good, though.  The more visibility the swifter the change will occur.  If this happened at a school my kid was at I would pull her in a heart beat or ask for corrective action.
I am with you......

[TheWho]

I like the anon post fail safe.  Dont know how many times I use to have to relog in and repost say "Sorry, Last post was mine".

Nice Ginger!!

[RobertBruce]

I didn?t ignore it, I guess I am just desensitized because I have seen so much. I dont think anyone is saying it doesnt happen. What I disagree with is that this is regarded as somehow standard, unique to TBS?s or is written into their procedures somehow. Lots of really bad and shocking stuff happens to kids at the local school level, suicide, raped by a teacher, teachers being shot, public humiliation, track coaches forcing kids to run until they drop and some dieing of heart attacks. 10 times worse than twisting wrists. But when a prestigious school or controversial school or program has a problem it is put under a higher powered microscope. I think it is good, though. The more visibility the swifter the change will occur. If this happened at a school my kid was at I would pull her in a heart beat or ask for corrective action.
I am with you......

No you're not. You were just going on a short time ago about how these programs are improving all the time. Improving how? I'd like to see you cite some sources for all the claims you just made concerning incidents in public schools. Also are you aware that public schools are regulated and have a great deal more oversight than most of the TBS? Also there are still some claims you've made that we're waiting on you to back up. Can you work up the courage to admit you were wrong?

[TheWho]

I didn?t ignore it, I guess I am just desensitized because I have seen so much. I dont think anyone is saying it doesnt happen. What I disagree with is that this is regarded as somehow standard, unique to TBS?s or is written into their procedures somehow. Lots of really bad and shocking stuff happens to kids at the local school level, suicide, raped by a teacher, teachers being shot, public humiliation, track coaches forcing kids to run until they drop and some dieing of heart attacks. 10 times worse than twisting wrists. But when a prestigious school or controversial school or program has a problem it is put under a higher powered microscope. I think it is good, though. The more visibility the swifter the change will occur. If this happened at a school my kid was at I would pull her in a heart beat or ask for corrective action.
I am with you......

No you're not. You were just going on a short time ago about how these programs are improving all the time. Improving how? I'd like to see you cite some sources for all the claims you just made concerning incidents in public schools. Also are you aware that public schools are regulated and have a great deal more oversight than most of the TBS? Also there are still some claims you've made that we're waiting on you to back up. Can you work up the courage to admit you were wrong?

 No I am not going to provide video clips from my local news or reasearch past news articles, Sorry Robert.  I am not going to spend any of my time searching archives.  If you go over to one of the ASR threads you will see that they have made substantial improvements to their program over the past 5 years (as one example).

Do your own work if you are interested, you also have the option not to believe me.  Its not that tough to make a personal choice whether to believe me or not.

[RobertBruce]

Of course it isn't, almost anything you say is garrunteed to be bullshit. I cannot fathom how you can demand proof beyond a shadow of a doubt for any claim made that opposes your ideology, yet you refuse to back up any of your claims. How does this double standard work in your mind? Or are you just that much of a jackass?

[TheWho]

Of course it isn't, almost anything you say is garrunteed to be bullshit. I cannot fathom how you can demand proof beyond a shadow of a doubt for any claim made that opposes your ideology, yet you refuse to back up any of your claims. How does this double standard work in your mind? Or are you just that much of a jackass?

I am real comfortable with it, Bob.  You are the one that seems to be stressed out.............