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« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2006, 07:33:00 PM »
But if he was, here's what we'd do with him:

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« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2006, 07:48:00 PM »
Nice.
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« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2006, 07:52:00 PM »
(GEEK MODE)

We could probably make a FUCK of a story arc out of TBSs for mutant kids.  :roll:
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« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2006, 07:54:00 PM »
This story brought tears to my eyes. I too had a twelve year old daughter who got addicted to crack, and started whoring herself out at her elementary school to buy her drugs. Most people laugh and think this isn't possible, but until they have their own troubled pre-teen they will never know what it's like.
I suggest that you get this girl the help she needs right away. You should also look into possible molestation/sexual assault as a youngster, she is desperately covering up negative feelings. This was true with my daughter, and I took her father to court and now he is no longer able to influence her so negatively. I would write more but I am tired, and I already dedicated a whole website to her story. http://www.tubgirl.com
Good luck, I know how tough it can be.
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« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2006, 09:57:00 PM »
Gosh, I'm so sorry.  That photo you have of her on the website is heartbreaking.  You can see the pain in her eye.
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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2006, 10:40:00 AM »
I am the OP.  I am a troll, and I am not.  My story is true.  My daughter really did these things.  Yes, she would still get away.  Yes, despite my best efforts, she got out.  Only this was several years ago.

Here is what happened.

We went to therapy, when I could get her to go.  The therapists told me different things to do and I did each of them.  None of those things mattered one bit.  She continued.

At one point she cut herself and I was so happy/sad because I thought that would be the ticket to get her into a mental hospital for treatment.  It was not to be.  They would take her in the hospital...for $20,000 up front.  I did not have mental health coverage for inpatient so that's what they wanted.  I didn't have it, they sent her home.  The $20K was for them to keep her a week.  One week is all they would do to "stabelize" her, then out she goes.

I called the police on her several times.  They sometimes took her overnight, but always made me (under threat of my own arrest) pick her up the next day.  She was not breaking the law so they would not keep her.  When they did pick her up, it was for "runaway" when she was out without permission.  They don't prosecute runaways...it's a statutory offense...not chargeable.

As far as a comprehensive community based treatment...there was and is none available.  There is NO treatment in my community for a kid like this.

I tried getting an IEP.  I couldn't afford a lawyer (who might have made it happen).  I did the best I could with the school district, filed appeals and all...no luck, turned down, with no recourse.

Meanwhile, my child is going to die.  I know you all say "deadinsaneorinjail" like it's a figment of a parents imagination and maybe sometimes it is, but this child...my child....was in grave danger.

So here is a parent with a child in desperate need of help and no one to help.  Schools, police, I even tried child protective services (she was in need of protection, right), therapists, psychiatrists...nada, nothing, zilch.

My other kids are living in hell.  I find scumbag MEN under my daughter's bed at night (yes I called the cops).  I find criminals sneaking INTO my house.  I am screamed at, cussed at, called names.  She steals her siblings money, anything she can sell.  She calls them names, she screams at them.

This is the truth.  This is the situation that many parents and children find themselves in.  Huge, horrible problems...and no help available...except for programs.  So yes, that is what happened.  I sent her away after myself and several other family members pooled our resources to pay for it.

Sending my kid away caused damage.  Yes it did.  She did not trust me for a long, long time.  She had runaway and was on the streets for over a week, when I told a bunch of lies to get her to come home long enough for the escorts to grab her.  That is the last time I ever lied to my kid.  It took a long time for her to get over that lie, but I countered it by always, always, always telling her the truth. She trust me today, without a second thought and that's good because I won't ever lie to her again, but I'm glad I did it that time.  I truly believe that getting her off the streets saved her life and I simply was not able to keep her off the streets.  I COULD NOT.

My point is....

there are no options.  Whether or not programs are good or bad, there are no other options for many parents and children.  

Mental hospitals might seem good, but most are acute care facilities and keep kids for a few days, not hardly long enough to solve the problems we had.  The "long-term" hospitals would keep her a week or two.  Mental hospitals are there for the mentally ill.  Their job (as they see it) is to find the right meds and get the kid on them.  To this day, my daughter does not have a mental illness.  She was diagnosed with this and that, put on this med or that med and none of that made any difference.

OK...so get to the point.

What are all you doing to see that there are other options?  Ranting and raving about programs doesn't create options.  How are you encouraging communities to create comprehensive help?  How are you teaching people to build these things?  How are you HELPING the kids, like mine, who need help, but can't find it????

Turn your anger to good use.  Put it towards building something good, rather than just tearing down something that is not so good.

Today my daughter is ok.  She is not self-destructive, does not engage in dangerous behavior and we have a great relationship.  Part of that, most of that, is just that she grew up.  Programs allowed her to do that in safety and allowed us (her family) to have something of a normal life at home.  They kept her safe long enough for her to have the chance to grow up and I got the chance to change some things about how I parented her.  She was not abused, but it still caused damage, but not as much as she was causing herself.  I wish there had been a different way.

Focus on making a different way, please?
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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2006, 11:26:00 AM »
Way to go OP.  Frankly, I'm happy to know that it happened awhile back and she's better now.  I've lived that hell and found myself thinking about her in the night, wondering what sane advice I could give you.
I hope your other kids are OK and survived the carnage.[ This Message was edited by: wild fig on 2006-05-03 08:27 ]
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« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2006, 11:30:00 AM »
Well OP, you may have made a few people think before they judge others, well said.  I think you put a challenge out there for people to be more proactive and look for solutions vs judging people for their past decisions.
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« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2006, 11:55:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-03 08:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

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On 2006-05-03 08:30:00, TheWho wrote:


"Well OP, you may have made a few people think before they judge others, well said.  I think you put a challenge out there for people to be more proactive and look for solutions vs judging people for their past decisions."






Not likely.

I have found that the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it

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Yeah, you are probably right.  Too bad, with all this knowledge of programs and kids who were at risk themselves, one would think a few would like to help out other kids (keep them safe, get them the help they really need and become part of the solution) instead of just dumping anger on parents and ?programmies? and being part of the problem.
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« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2006, 12:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-03 08:55:00, TheWho wrote:

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On 2006-05-03 08:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:


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On 2006-05-03 08:30:00, TheWho wrote:



"Well OP, you may have made a few people think before they judge others, well said.  I think you put a challenge out there for people to be more proactive and look for solutions vs judging people for their past decisions."










Not likely.

I have found that the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it


--Harry S. Truman

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Yeah, you are probably right.  Too bad, with all this knowledge of programs and kids who were at risk themselves, one would think a few would like to help out other kids (keep them safe, get them the help they really need and become part of the solution) instead of just dumping anger on parents and ?programmies? and being part of the problem."


what a tool.  you ARE the problem.  without you there wouldn't be abusive warehouses to send kids to.  it's your messed up parenting and your money that cause the problem.
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« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »
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"They have to vent somewhere, and those that do want to help either find their own way of doing it, or join other groups like TAUSA, ISAC, and Cafety. I have found Fornits an excellent source of information from time to time, and a place to blow off steam when I am bored. Then again I do have way to much free time here in Korea, but hopefully that will soon come to an end. Ahh soon to return to the land I love and blah blah blah.. I friggin hope Bush doesn't declare war on Mexico or something equally retarded.

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I hear you, the reason I stay is there are a few people who care about the kids and try to help them and I try to help some parents out where I can.

  Heading your way, I'll be in Astana for a month in June then heading for Singapore.
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« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2006, 12:49:00 PM »
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what a tool. you ARE the problem. without you there wouldn't be abusive warehouses to send kids to. it's your messed up parenting and your money that cause the problem.


I am flattered that you give me so much power.
  My parenting style isnt my fault, its my parents fault for being a model for me to follow and I am really pissed at them for that.  If it wasnt for them my kids would be perfect.  I refuse to take any personal responsibility for anything I do, the money I make, the way my kids turn out and you can quote me:

"Its my parents fault".
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« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2006, 01:09:00 PM »
Astana isn't that in Thailand?
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« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2006, 01:32:00 PM »
Russia ? I think.
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« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2006, 02:09:00 PM »
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what a tool. you ARE the problem. without you there wouldn't be abusive warehouses to send kids to. it's your messed up parenting and your money that cause the problem.



I am flattered that you give me so much power.

  My parenting style isnt my fault, its my parents fault for being a model for me to follow and I am really pissed at them for that.  If it wasnt for them my kids would be perfect.  I refuse to take any personal responsibility for anything I do, the money I make, the way my kids turn out and you can quote me:



"Its my parents fault".

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What this person meant was people like you, who became parents, who are selfish, incompetent morons, contribute to the problem that society has today, that being all these kiddie prisons that are popping up all over the freaking place!

You may have had horrible parents yourself, but any intelligent person can reprogram their own thinking. I don't expect this of kids or young adults, but I think as you get older, and wiser it dawns on you naturally. I am sorry if that didn't happen for you, and your kids have been affected.

I have always believed in parents having to take courses on parenting. Every year the government should have a week of classes for all the different age groups. Parents need to be forced into going. Or you can reward them through tax breaks? I don't really care, because society as a whole is having to pay billions of dollars out of our pockets anyway for these fucked up kids, I would rather it be preventitive then waiting until it's too late. I'd rather kids be happy, and families healthy. Then what we have now, which is places to throw your bad kids into.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.