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« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2006, 04:50:00 PM »
Why are you cockcrunchers still replying to this trollbait?!
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« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2006, 05:00:00 PM »
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No, I don't have any solutions for this bullshit story.


Just to boil it all down, that was my point.  Its considered b.s. because you dont have solutions, whether it is hypothetical or actual (who cares)!!!  This child needed to be placed outside the home, but many would rather discredit or ignore the story rather than address it.
This happens all the time, you just havent met anyone personally who has gone thru this so you don?t believe it.
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« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2006, 05:04:00 PM »
Fine, fine, fine! No mas, I promise! Well, maybe? Sometimes I just can't resist! Hahahaha!!!
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« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2006, 05:04:00 PM »
No, it means you are to dim to recognize satire.
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« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2006, 05:22:00 PM »
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No, I don't have any solutions for this bullshit story.



Just to boil it all down, that was my point.  Its considered b.s. because you dont have solutions, whether it is hypothetical or actual (who cares)!!!  This child needed to be placed outside the home, but many would rather discredit or ignore the story rather than address it.

This happens all the time, you just havent met anyone personally who has gone thru this so you don?t believe it.

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Your point still makes no sense.  It's not BS because there's no solution.  It's BS because it makes no sense.  Like I said, your deductive reasoning is totally illogical.
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« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2006, 05:24:00 PM »
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"Anyway,lets move on, there was no comparisons being made, here is what was said:





I think you missed my point. It seems the great majority here believes the parents are to blame. That the kids were just days away from a full scholarship at an ivy leagues school when they were plucked up, hand cuffed and sent off to prison for years and never knew why. We read stories like the one above (which is more realistic than many others that are embraced here) and people believe it is bs because they can not give any advice except for the route that is inevitable which is placement outside the home, so its easy to say, aw it?s a bs story.





Bottom line is that we don?t know what the root cause of these teens becoming at risk. They come from families which are good, bad and mediocre. The teen suicide rate in this country is thru the roof and the majority feel the parents should sit back and do nothing.











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I said the story was BS.  I don't recall saying anything about Ivy league colleges or anything else like that.  I didn't even say anything about any other story that I believe or not.  Why are you attributing anything else to me other than, "This story is BS"?  



No, I don't have any solutions for this bullshit story.  The windows are nailed shut and the mom sleeps in front of the door, and the "12-year-old" still gets out?  The police say no crime has been committed when clearly one has?  (Runaway and beyond parental control both come to mind.  My parents were fond of kicking me out of the house, then having me arrested for running away.)  Um, what else...oh, there are NO local resources...all types of therapy have been exhausted.  No, I don't know what to say about this.  But it doesn't fucking matter, because this is a story that would NEVER EVER happen.



This is the kind of story that only a program supporter would make up to freak people out of common sense.  The only 12-year-old girls at the program I went to were little girls who had uber-religious parents.  They were sent to the program for being defiant.  They had never done drugs or had sex.  (Curiously, several of them confided in me that their unber-religious fathers had molested them, and that their pissed off mothers sent them away for seducing them.)  We never had an actual "drug addict" come in to the program.  



Most girls there were from upper-middle class suburban families who were embarrassed because their kids walked around with pink hair and a pierced face.  A lot of them experimented with drugs, and a lot of them were not going to school.  I'm sure a lot of them were what they're parents might consider "promiscuous."  



My own parents considered sex outside of marriage to be promiscuous, even though both admittedly had done so themselves.  I had never had sex by the time I was sent away, never had a boyfriend, but I don't think they believed me.  They also considered drug experimentation to be a "detrimental lifestyle," even though both had done so when they were teenagers.  ("It was different back then.  It was the 60s.")



Anyway, I stick to my belief that this story was BS.  And I think it's hilarious how your deductive reasoning works, by the way.  It's totally illogical.
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Indeed.  This guy uses every fallacy in the book to justify his inanities.  He's strictly a polemicist and has neither the reasoning skills or education to discuss the issues intelligently.
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« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2006, 05:31:00 PM »
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No, I don't have any solutions for this bullshit story.





Just to boil it all down, that was my point.  Its considered b.s. because you dont have solutions, whether it is hypothetical or actual (who cares)!!!  This child needed to be placed outside the home, but many would rather discredit or ignore the story rather than address it.


This happens all the time, you just havent met anyone personally who has gone thru this so you don?t believe it.


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Your point still makes no sense.  It's not BS because there's no solution.  It's BS because it makes no sense.  Like I said, your deductive reasoning is totally illogical.
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Well okay , maybe I was wrong.  So how would you advise this family, if it was real?
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« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2006, 05:33:00 PM »
DJ, you forgot "ad hominem".  Oh, was that me or you?
Gotcha,  smile.
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« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2006, 05:34:00 PM »
And you wonder how these threads build and build.
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« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2006, 05:35:00 PM »
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STOP! *BAM!* FEEDING! *BAM!* THE! *BAM!* TROLLS!! **BAAAAM!**
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« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2006, 05:36:00 PM »
If it was real you couldnt do a damn thing, because obviously this girl is Shadowcat? from the X-Men, or some super-secret-fuckin'-agent to be, and a TBS couldnt keep her cooped up anyway.

As I said before, call the CIA and say you got a promising new agent for them.
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« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2006, 05:39:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-03 14:33:00, TheWho wrote:

"DJ, you forgot "ad hominem".  Oh, was that me or you?

Gotcha,  smile."


All I said was that you are basically an ignorant polemicist.  If you can't understand what that means, then crack a book.  

I've already refuted your lame arguments quite thoroughly.  Anybody who can read can see for themselves.  I'm just saying that arguing with you is like arguing with a two-year-old, so why bother?  All you care about is "gotcha's," and the facts mean nothing.  

You're basically just a waste of time and bandwidth, but if these folks want to carry on with you, I'm sure they'll come to the same conclusion.
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« Reply #102 on: May 03, 2006, 05:45:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-03 14:36:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"If it was real you couldnt do a damn thing, because obviously this girl is Shadowcat? from the X-Men, or some super-secret-fuckin'-agent to be, and a TBS couldnt keep her cooped up anyway.



As I said before, call the CIA and say you got a promising new agent for them."


Ha,Ha,  perfect --

This is what I thought,  I think eventually you will see that some kids would benefit from a TBS.  I dont expect you to admit it (I have been here long enough and know better), but not all kids are placed because of smoking pot or dating the wrong guy as people are telling you here.  Many kids are truly at-risk and do very well at these places.
Time will tell.
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« Reply #103 on: May 03, 2006, 05:47:00 PM »
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"DJ, you forgot "ad hominem".  Oh, was that me or you?


Gotcha,  smile."




All I said was that you are basically an ignorant polemicist.  If you can't understand what that means, then crack a book.  



I've already refuted your lame arguments quite thoroughly.  Anybody who can read can see for themselves.  I'm just saying that arguing with you is like arguing with a two-year-old, so why bother?  All you care about is "gotcha's," and the facts mean nothing.  



You're basically just a waste of time and bandwidth, but if these folks want to carry on with you, I'm sure they'll come to the same conclusion.
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DJ, You still missed it !!?
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« Reply #104 on: May 03, 2006, 05:54:00 PM »
Why not enumerate and classify his arguements? It could make for a good undergraduate study for someone studying logic (or, rather, illogic, if thats a course you can take) or just general sophistry and spindoctoring.

Like, say, all of his emotional appeals about how we need to give the programs just one more chance, even though we have a 30~ year history of them so far.

Or isolation isn't isolation, because he says its therapy, even though the experts say otherwise.

Or, LGATs arent abusive, or effective, etc.

Or, emotionally laden nonsense about "BLOSSOMING" or "GROWING", etc.
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