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« on: May 02, 2006, 01:11:00 AM »
my daughter is 12.  She sneaks out all the time.  I have nailed the windows shut, put deadbolts on the doors and I sleep in front of her door on the floor, but she still manages to get past me and out the door.  I could chain her to the bed, but I'd be arrested for child abuse.

When she sneaks out, she comes home covered in hickies.  She told me that she sleeps with anyone she meets on the streets, as long as they will give her cigarettes or beer.  Last time she slept with 3 different men, or so she told me.

She has been kicked out of school and also the alternative school.  She won't get up to go anyways.  I can fight with her all I want, but she won't go.  I cannot physically drag her into school, she'll just leave again and I'd get in trouble for "abusing" her.

I have to work.  If I don't work, the bills don't get paid and then we will all be on the street.  Once I go to work, she is out the door and there's no way to stop it.  If I truly lock her in, she'll just break a window.  I can't leave her without a means of getting out.  What if there is a fire or something.  She did start a fire at school, that is why they kicked her out.

I have taken her to counselors.  She won't talk to them, if I can get her to go.  I go anyways to try to find a way to deal with her.  They told me to make a list of rules and consequences so I did.  It doesn't matter because she does what she wants too anyways, but I tried.  I can't enforce a consequence when she won't allow me too.  I have tried many times to just talk to her, see what the problem might be.  She just calls me names.

This kid is going to die.  One night she will meet a total freak who will dump her dead body in a dumpster.  Even if she lives, she is hurting herself so badly.  How would you feel if you were basically being a hooker at 12 years old?  How would you feel if you had no education past 6th grade because your parents couldn't make you go to school?

I know about programs and all I can think is that they can keep my kid safe.  I can't.  I cannot keep her in the house.  I do not have a 24 hour staff to watch her.  I am not in the boonies where she has nowhere to go.

I have two other kids, one older, one younger.  They have never had problems like this.  I do not drink or do drugs or have boyfriends.  I just go to work, come home and spend time with my family.  We used to have lots of fun together, but not anymore.  My daugter is abusive to us all.  She screams names at her siblings, hits them if I am not there and in general makes life miserable for everyone.

So if programs are not the answer...what am I supposed to do?
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 01:30:00 AM »
:nworthy:  :nworthy:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »
If all you say is true, you HAVE to protect the other children!  Start with some sort of outward bounds program or even just a month of YMCA camp.  Those options are not seen as punishment, but as fun summer activities.  But I must warn you, summer camp gave me and my other children breathing room, but it didn't change my child's behavior once home.  Your daughter's behavior is so off for a twelve year old you may really need to have her committed to a phsyciatric hospital for 30 days to be evaluated.  Most insurances will pay for that.  Good luck.  I know it is hard.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 09:30:00 AM »
I'd say you should have her locked up right away. If you don't have enough money for a program, frame her for a crime so the state will lock her up. That is what I did with my kid, and he is currently in Juvenille Hall for grand theft. I wish I had enough for escorts and programs but I don't, and so I asked for advice on another online forum with struggling parents and they gave me this advice. Go to an electronics store, and steal a few high-end items. Place these items in your child's room, then call the police and say you suspect the child of stealing. Have the child arrested, and sent away. It's important you lock this kid up NOW before it is too late. Lock her up until she is 18, then if she wants to whore herself out, let her. It's not about the child, IT IS ABOUT YOU! Improve your life today, frame your child for theft and protect those other children!
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 09:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-01 22:30:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

" :nworthy:  :nworthy: "


As usual you add no value.  Where is your anger ?
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 09:54:00 AM »
My anger is stored away safely in an airport locker, to be used only when necessary. Where is your anger?
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 10:21:00 AM »
Outward Bound won't take such a kid unless the kid wants to go, and a therapist recommends it. They do have a trek for kids who are "at risk" but it will not do a mental patient any good; or a kid who is incompliant. They have to want it, for it to help.

You might wanyt to consider getting your daughter a mental health evaluation. You can petition the school to provide it, as she is having so much trouble. They are federally mandated to provide an education to your daughter - and as she is having such a problem they can be forced to provide the needed evaluations.

You should call your state capital's education dept. and request Special Education advocate. You will need their help in pressuring the schools system to comply.

Once you get her evaluated (assuming they find she has any kind of mental disorder)she will be eligible for an IEP. You can then insist the state find her a RTC where she can be educated and receive therapy. You might find you will need to make her a ward of the state - but this does NOT mean you will be surrendering parental rights. That's a lie they tell you to get you to back off.

They will tell you many lies trying to get you to back off and go away. So, you will need to educate yourself in regard to the federal mandates and your rights as a parent and her rights as a child. You will need to be able to ague effectively and stand your ground. This is not an easy process. States have a category for families that need this state placement, but through no fault of their own. It is NOT the same as having the state take your child. What they call it, varies from state to state, but they all have it. It is used when a family is unable to keep a child safe in their home through no fault of their own - and this seems to apply to you.

The first step here, is to file a beyond control petition. You can do this with out having the IEP in place. In fact, it may result in getting you a social worker who can help force the schools to comply. Also, it can result in the state ordering a mental evaluation and paying for it or charging you based on the slidding scale. You'll get a court date and the judge will assign you a social worker. If your lucky they will be good at the job; and if unlucky they will be lazy liars. But again, they are state employees and you can file complaints that will have an effect.

When you file the petition, and when you go to court - have with you all the writes ups from the school; and any records from her therapist. You are probably entitled to one free copy of her records. So, if she is still seeing someone don't request a copy of her file until they quite seeing her - but do get a copy of her file from everyone she sees - and keep it in a safe place. A safe deposit box is best. Same with each and every write she gets at school. You will need to to prove she needs help that you can not provide in the home. Simply having a business card from all the therapist to line up and say we saw this one, and this one, and this one - can be effective in getting the judged to see you need a greater level of help than a family is able to provide.

Now - Maybe she doesn't need an RTC - but it sounds like maybe she does. Please do Not make the mistake of thinking you will get better care from a private paid, private owned program, than you can from the state operated programs. This is a massively inaccurate notion many people have.

The state run facilities are crowded and hard to get into. They do have incompetent staff. No doubt the also have mean and hurtful people on staff. But they Do also have competent and caring people; and more importantly - they do have LOTS of oversight! If your child is mismanaged or mistreated you can file a complaint and find it effective. None of this is so if you go the private route.

Also, in the state paid and operated RTCs they must have the individual plan in place and they can be watched to make sure they follow it. So that your child receives therapy appropriate for what ever it is that ails her.

In these private places no such individuality of treatment (or even personhood) exist. If their treatment modality does not meet your daughter's needs, her needs will not be met - and she will come out far, far worse then she went in. This is Especially true if she does in fact have a mental disorder!

If your a family with money, the sate may require to pick up part of the tab. They run it on a sliding scale. I believe you'll find it will be far less than these private run hell holes.

You might consider moving on this ASAP. It is a slow process. You can expedite it if you are firm and unrelenting. If you are quite and patient they will forget all about you.

All this being said - some statre operate boot camps and the results can be tragic. Again, you MUST educate yourself so you know what kind of therapy is useful for your daughters situation. Harsh and punitve treatment will only make her much worse. You must be able to explain this and demand something more along the lines of true mental health care.

One last thing - *if* your daughter is mentally ill, you will need to be prepaired to help her deal with the social service system for years to come. All these records I mention can be very important in applying for SSI and food stamps and housing - So get them and protect them, in case you need them in the furture to get your daughter continuing help.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 12:24:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 01:06:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"I would say buy a leather belt and give her a good arse whupping but I suspect that is hardly the answer you are looking for.



I won't pretend to be an expert at raising kids, but I can suggest that there are other methods open.



My only suggestion off the top of my head is something along the lines of Outward Bound, or Nols to give you and your daughter some breathing space. After a few weeks to get your bearings then you may well be able to makes some well thought out decisions rather than being rushed into something you may regret for the rest of your life.



I favor Nols or Outward bound as they are mainly intensive summer camp programs to get a kid some time hiking around in the woods. Nothing cheesy or theraputic about it, just a kid with a group of other kids doing some hiking.



There are also some other programs for the child and parent that put you both out in the woods and help you to both come to some sort of understanding, but I think first you may want some time to have some peace and quiet with your other kids.



Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
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I'm sure some Outward Bound Programs are OK but my daughter will tell you that she actually learned to take drugs at Outward Bound- her first experience with drugs-  They never checked their bags or checked in any meds and my kid spent her solo whacked out on sleeping pills to get through it.  Wow, wasn't that a great learning experience for a kid on the edge.  Also, Outward Bound is VERY expensive and has absolutely zero therapeutic componenets.  

You know, you rag on "program parents" for recommending or simply supporting some of the TBS schools they've actually had experience with.  Stick to what you know-  other than the Outward Bound Program that is court mandated and almost impossible to get a spot in, the program is detrimental to kids on the edge.  

As for the woman who wrote the original post-
my heart breaks for you. I've been there.  I took action and now I have a happy, stable kid in college.  Protect your other kids anyway you can---they are taking the brunt of this with you.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 12:53:00 PM »
The outward bound program for kids at risk (Assent, I think they call it) would be considerably more strict about what the kids had in their Back packs, than the other programs they offer.

Outward bound could be a great thing for a kid who is just slacking off a little - and who enjoys the out doors.

They are very careful about the kids they allow into their Assent program. There is a strict set of guidelines and they do follow them.

Any kid who wants to can attend the open courses - with in the age guidelines they give.

And they do have a scholarship program. So if anyone has a ten or young adult who might be interested - apply for the scholarship.

And YMCA camps - I do like that option for most kids who are just kind of goof offs - but no real problems. My son had a great time at camp. The people there are mostly good people - and mostly young people with a lot of energy to keep their young charges very busy. Again, they are expensive - but they too have a scholarship program.

The 12 year old about may actually do well at a YMCA camp. Many of thes kids behave very differently away from home and it might be good for her. But if she acts out at camp they will send her home. They are not set up to safley handel the behavior of a seriously troubled child. But realy, when I think about it - it might be good for her. She probably would not be at all the same kid as she is at home. My concern is the sexual acting out and the threats - the Y will not try to deal with that. But, she may not act that way at camp. And that would be good - b/c it would help her learn she can control her bahavior if she tries. The risk is the Mom could loose her tuition. I don't think it is refundable if they ask a child to leave.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
Maybe she should go to tennis camp!!!

Do you have kids TSW?
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2006, 01:00:00 PM »
OMG

This is a kid, a 12 year old kid, selling her body!  She's probably doing drugs too but the Mom doesn't know that yet.  Do you honestly think she'll happily go to the YMCA with her lunch box?

That may have worked when she was 6 but this kid is obviously out of control.  The first camp counselor to correct her will know doubt get abused in the same way her family has been.

Buzz, you have some great ideas.  I think your recommendations are more preventative.  This mom needs some crisis management.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2006, 01:09:00 PM »
First step is to stabilize your household and protect all your children.  This is not something she will just grow out of anytime soon and the effect to your other children could be very damaging.  This may snowball very quickly if left to its own momentum.
I am not familiar with the specific outward bound programs you speak of, but you will need something with a therapeutic component to address the issues she has been trying to deal with and get past.

Busskill made some excellent suggestions.  If there is any way she will agree to getting evaluated, this would be a great first step.

SUWS of the Carolinas (Therapeutic wilderness camp) is an excellent place to stabilize some children.  They can also have someone perform an evaluation while she is there.  I am sure there are others but this is the only one I have personal experience with.  It is expensive but the staff is well trained and very compassionate.  Your daughter would be in safe hands for a few weeks until you can determine her next step and stabilize your household.

But like others have said ?Protect your other children? Don?t forget about them, they are taking a huge hit.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2006, 01:23:00 PM »
How about send her to me for the summer, and I will put her to work on our ranch!!!!! Always could use the extra help!!!!

J/K, I'm sorry! Am I really supposed to take this person seriously?!!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2006, 01:27:00 PM »
Exorcism?
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2006, 01:32:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 10:23:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"How about send her to me for the summer, and I will put her to work on our ranch!!!!! Always could use the extra help!!!!



J/K, I'm sorry! Am I really supposed to take this person seriously?!!"


Ah, nice offer, a few months on a ranch might be just what she needs, fresh air, staying busy, work, all self esteem building stuff.  
I'll help with the airfare.
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