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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2005, 12:22:00 PM »
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"Yeah, well, you aren't going to find many parents on strugglingteens recommending WWASP programs. Join us in the present,please."


Is Lon still accepting WWASP ad money?

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2005, 12:39:00 PM »
SOOOOOO??????

What ended up happening to Hope? It seems like the 72 hour hold on her daughter in the hospital is coming to an end. Has anyone here (besides Karen In Dallas) heard from Hollyhawk via private message? There has been some really good advice given here, and I hope that she takes it(and best of all is FREE, and none of us are profiting from it!). But, the great thing is, it's coming from those of us who were in similar situations as Hope and her Mom, and we know what worked or didn't work. A lot of us have experience with these teen programs. I look forward to hearing from you Hollyhawk!
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2005, 01:14:00 PM »
Very few of the programs selected within the last several years by the posters on strugglingteens give any referral money or tuition rebates.  In fact, I don't know of any.
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »
I'm Julie Cochrane, used to be Timoclea on Fornits, and I never sign in, but you can do a Google search on me or find me on Baen's Bar at http://bar.baen.com to verify who I am and my bona fides.

I have bipolar disorder, controlled through meds and a prior course of good therapy.  I have a 9 y.o. daughter with pediatric bipolar disorder, so I know about being a parent of a kid with mental health problems, and I know about *being* a kid with mental health problems.

My first advice is regular hospitalization is quite necessary for your daughter right now because of the self-harm through cutting and her needing to be restabilized on her psychiatric medication.  Also, it can't hurt to have the hospital doctors take a look and get their second opinion about her diagnosis.

Many people with bipolar-spectrum mental illnesses (depression, OCD, and all the anxiety disorders seem to be related to similar "broken" things in the brain, just less severe) become addicted to alcohol or other drugs.  Some psychiatrists believe that the genetic vulnerability to mental illness and the genetic vulnerability to alcoholism or other drug addiction are caused by the same genes.

The first thing you need to do is get your daughter stable on medication and detoxed from the drugs.  Do this either directly in hospital or in a *short term* detox center.  Something in the neighborhood of three weeks to three months.  Do not try anything longer on the first effort.

Then, after your daughter comes home, if she continues to live at home (after 18, obviously her living at home or not would be a mutual choice), hand her her medication when it is time for her to take it and watch her swallow it.

Many people with mental illnesses have the symptom of firmly believing that they are absolutely not ill, that nothing at all is wrong with them---despite the objective evidence clear to *everyone* around them.

DO NOT send your daughter to a facility with a bad reputation like PCS.  Where there's smoke, you can't afford to take a chance that there's going to be fire.  This is your beautiful, irreplaceable  baby, here. She's the only one of her you have, and you still have lots of options to try that may well work before you even consider something as drastic as some program that may take *years* even if she elects to stay in it after she turns 18.  And some program that a lot of people say they have PTSD from.

I know someone who used to work as a therapist at a program in Alabama that has some complaints, but not nearly as horrible a reputation as PCS.  She said she'd *never* send a kid to a program in Utah, and usually had to open a trauma file on kids they got that used to be in pretty much any program in Utah.

I'd go further.  I know a number of LDS people who are great folks, but I've never heard of a program run by people who claim to be Mormons that *doesn't* have a raft of abuse allegations.  Everyday Mormons can be great people, but stay *far away* from programs run by Mormons.  Frequently the people running those programs have personally horrible reputations and appear to just be hiding behind their nominal religion to get the trust of their home communities.

Do not use any facility in Missouri.  Missouri has almost zero regulations for anything that calls itself a religious school of any kind.  There is virtually *no* consumer protection or quality control.

You're not at the stage to try a commitment longer than a short-term detox, anyway.

I know your situation is terrifying, but I see it practically every day in the national support/advocacy group for pediatric bipolar disorder.

You're at the stage of temporary hospitalization in a regular hospital to get her stabilized, and then short term detox.  You want to use the least intrusive treatment that works, to avoid doing further harm, so you try each level of treatment before going on to the next most intrusive level.

90% of the time, you get success *before* you get to institutionalizing your child in a program---and make no mistake, a program like PCS, or any of the similar "programs," that is potentially years long is institutionalizing your child.  They'll tell you they won't keep your kid for years but will send them home just as soon as they're ready.  Most parents I've talked to have found that to be a flat lie and that they keep the kid until the 18th birthday, for years if the kid gets there younger, *or until the family runs out of insurance and money including all the kid's college fund and all the equity in the parents' house and any liquid retirement savings*

*Most* people in your shoes will get results as good with a short term detox as they would with even the best and safest longer program (institutionalization).

Some kids really do need to be institutionalized.  *Your* kid right now needs to be stabilized on meds and dried out in preparation for outpatient follow-up care.  Try that *next*.  For *most* people in your shoes it will work.

What do I mean by "work"?  I mean mental illness is frequently for life and addicts relapse.  Mental illness is usually for life no matter where you send the kid.  Anyone who says they can "cure" it is lying.  Except for short-term reactions to some extreme stressor, there are *no* cures.  Well, phobias can sometimes be cured.  Other than that, unless it's *one* episode of reactive schizophrenia, or post-partum depression, or you get lucky with PTSD, or *one* episode of clinical depression brought on by something like a death of someone close, mental illness is for life.  No cures, only ongoing treatments that are *usually* effective.

No matter where you send a mentally ill person, or an addict, or for how long, chances are at some point in their life after they get out, they'll relapse.  In some ways, it's a bit like surviving cancer--you always have to watch it, because you may have to treat it again if you have a problem with it again.  With cancer, they count "success" in terms of do you make it another five years.  With mental illness and addiction, think of it in terms of how long you get sobriety or stability before you fall off, and how well you do at climbing back on.

For most people, you're going to have *at least* as long without a relapse after getting out of short-term detox as you would after getting out of an institution like a "Program."  Particularly if someone directly observes your loved one taking her meds at the appropriate times each day, and makes sure she gets to outpatient appointments.  Don't worry too much about non-cooperation with the therapist when she's at outpatient appointments---most therapists will be good enough to get past that initial resistance after a few sessions.  Persist.

And with the short-term detox, there's much less chance of making a mistake in choice of facility (fewer bad apple facilities) and landing your kid with PTSD or permanent physical injuries on top of her other problems.  Many of the Programs have a history of being lax at providing timely medical care to patients.  Sometimes kids even *die* from medical neglect or improper restraint techniques in some of these places.

If you can at all swing it, change jobs and move so that your kid gets out of detox and comes home to a completely new environment and the opportunity to make new friends instead of falling back in with old friends who are still using Meth.  One of the triggers of relapse is being back in the environment where the addict was using.

A fresh start out of detox, with *lots* of therapy and family emotional support, is her best chance of going longest without relapse.

Julie
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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »
PS--I'd try short term detox at least three times before I institutionalized even a very ill loved one for a longer stint.

*Most* parents I've had experience with whose kids are seriously mentally ill get their kid stabilized for a good stretch each time with a *short* hospitalization or *short* detox.

My cousin is about as seriously mentally ill as it is possible to be, and has to go into hospital regularly.  Each time her stay is *short* until they get her stabilized, with outpatient follow on care.  She's forty-something and doing about as well as can be expected for what she has.  If she wasn't safe to go home, they *would* keep her.

She is *way* sicker than you've described your daughter to be.  She's not only a cutter, and has abused drugs, she's also bipolar with schizoaffective features---she talks to dead people who tell her to hurt herself.  At the same time, she's doing absolutely as well as they can get her--she would be doing no better if she were living in an institution, and would be no better after she got out of a longer stay.

If she can manage her illness with *short* hospitalizations to stabilize her (and she is managing, even though she does have to live at home with her mother) and outpatient therapy and supportive group therapy, then you can almost certainly manage Hope's problems with the same level of care.

Institutionalization is for schizophrenics and bipolars that are actively suicidal or homicidal and either don't respond to medication or don't have a loved one to watch them take their medication (and won't take it on their own), or won't take their meds even with a loved one to hand it to them and watch them swallow.

Many times the nurses or doctors or whoever don't really know these facilities, they've never been there, they only get the feedback from parents who have been brainwashed into thinking their kids are being helped when they aren't---or kids who have been out for less than 5 years and are still scared into singing the program's praises or brainwashed themselves.  Many times they're completely unaware of the horror stories of parents and kids who have actual personal long-term experience with the facilities.

It's like the doctor who recommends a drug because the drug company rep is really nice and gives him lots of samples---it may *not* be the best drug for you.  A less expensive drug may actually be better for what you have.  But the drug company rep does a real good job of selling that new, expensive drug.

Try the less intrusive, less expensive option *first*.  Several times, if you have to.  You have a much better than 50% chance that it will work (each time) just as well as or better than institutionalization.

Julie
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2005, 03:35:00 PM »
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"Yeah, well, you aren't going to find many parents on strugglingteens recommending WWASP programs. Join us in the present,please."

This is an unmitigated lie.  There are plenty of WWASPies on StrugglingParents more than willing to make a few dollars for referring you and your family to WWASP.
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2005, 03:55:00 PM »
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What ended up happening to Hope? It seems like the 72 hour hold on her daughter in the hospital is coming to an end. Has anyone here (besides Karen In Dallas) heard from Hollyhawk via private message? There has been some really good advice given here, and I hope that she takes it(and best of all is FREE, and none of us are profiting from it!). But, the great thing is, it's coming from those of us who were in similar situations as Hope and her Mom, and we know what worked or didn't work. A lot of us have experience with these teen programs. I look forward to hearing from you Hollyhawk!"


I've not been contacted, PM uread, but I did add an e-mail address here.  

It's quite possible that she is very busy with her daughters situation and hasn't been regurlarly checking the forum.  Let's just hope she does contact at least a few people from here before she makes any decisions.
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2005, 04:06:00 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if she took the easy way out, and sent her daughter to PCS or some other school. Otherwise, she would have come back to this site, and posted.
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »
Try posting on Struggling Teens yourself as a "parent with a teen in need of help" and just see how many of these caring parents try to REFER you to a school or to PURE or to THEIR ed con. They are in it for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2005, 08:37:00 AM »
My mother referred several people she knew to Cross Creek and was always offered $1,000 or the ability to donate a free month's tuition to the child.  She always chose the tuition donation.  She didn't recruit via websites or anything, just by telling the typical story of how I was "saved from death or jail" (as an honors student whose issue was talking back, but who knows how that might've spiraled out of control if I retained my freedoms for four of my teenage years).  

Why did she donate the tuition and keep wanting to refer others?  I think maybe in the back of her head there was a 'lil nagging voice that maybe she didn't do the right thing.  She seemed to want to prove to herself that the program was a good thing by wanting to "save" others from the fate she wanted to believe would've been mine without Cross Creek.  I don't think my mom will ever have the strength to admit that she paid people to treat me the way they did for four years.  She's protecting her own psyche.  Every time one of her referrals got out, she wanted us all to do lunch and have some type of meaningful reunion.  Total programmee.

Parents who refer may have other motivations besides money, but I think it's important to keep in mind that their own families were/are in crisis and they have their own issues and needs they're trying to meet, whether they are emotional, financial, or acceptance needs.
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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2005, 10:23:00 AM »
Excellent comments. I have a relative who is currently incarcerated in a program for the same "crime" of backtalking. She is missing some of the most important years of her life because she had opinions, independent thoughts and the courage to express them. I can only hope that she will still be capable of such "awful" behavior when she is released.
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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2005, 10:34:00 AM »
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"I'm Julie Cochrane, used to be Timoclea on Fornits, and I never sign in

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Julie"

Welcome back Tim  :wave:
Been worried about you.
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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2005, 03:43:00 PM »
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"Excellent comments. I have a relative who is currently incarcerated in a program for the same "crime" of backtalking. She is missing some of the most important years of her life because she had opinions, independent thoughts and the courage to express them. I can only hope that she will still be capable of such "awful" behavior when she is released.  "


That's all she did? Lies, K, all lies . . .
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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2005, 03:55:00 PM »
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That's all she did? Lies, K, all lies . . ."
It wouldn't suprise me.  I was mainly sent for arguing with my family and refusing to just go with the flow.  Alot of teens do that, and eventually grow out of it.  It's a normal part of the (often tough) teenage years!  Never had any big troubles with the law or any problems with drugs.  

I've never heard of any parents, regardless of the reasons, being told by the program officials that it wouldn't be right to send their child!  In the end, it's all about the money.  These programs prey on parents during vulnerable times, and children are the victims.
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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2005, 05:35:00 PM »
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I've never heard of any parents, regardless of the reasons, being told by the program officials that it wouldn't be right to send their child!  In the end, it's all about the money.  These programs prey on parents during vulnerable times, and children are the victims.

How would you know this unless you work there?  I was turned down by 2 places which were not a good fit for my child, and after hearing their explanation I agreed and thanked them.
It is posts like this that make me take some of the horror stories, I read posted here, with a grain of salt.
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