ARE there any good facilities for my daughter???

[TheWho]

How would you know if those kids are doing okay? How would you know if they were messed up and playing along so they wont get sent back? You wouldnt. Youre not a therapist - and even if you were, youd have to see them and earn their confidence before theyd tell you something like that.

I am not sure how to answer that.  I just do because I have met them and know them.  I knew them before and after.  Based on what you say none of us really know if a kid is messed up or not, before or after the program, unless we are therapists.  A kid could lie and say the program screwed him up just to piss his parents off for spending his inheritance and sending him there.  When deep down inside he is happy he went.  Or the opposite could be true, so based on that logic, it is possible and you could be right for some instances.

Programs are not able to judge if a child has a problem with "lack of structure", or "tough time w/ith their peers, or "family authority".

But the childs therapist or counselor might.  Typically a child is evaluated prior to entering a RTC by a third party i.e. hospital, therapist, counselor.  They do this to see if the child is a good match for their particular program (model) and has a good chance for success.  If they dont fit the requirements they are, in most cases, given other options or names of programs which may be better suited for the child.

Also, if family is the problem, and "removing them" helps by putting them somewhere else, then yes, if their family is a problem and theyre gone it would be good for the child if they WERE in a 'haven'.

refuge or rest, not necessarily rest, I agree.  But a refuge from what ever it is that they need to get away from.

Thanks for the [Quote)] tip!  What does "Heres a cookie" mean?

[Nihilanthic]

I am not sure how to answer that. I just do because I have met them and know them. I knew them before and after. Based on what you say none of us really know if a kid is messed up or not, before or after the program, unless we are therapists. A kid could lie and say the program screwed him up just to piss his parents off for spending his inheritance and sending him there. When deep down inside he is happy he went. Or the opposite could be true, so based on that logic, it is possible and you could be right for some instances.

Right, a kid could lie just to spite the parents. Also, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that if the place isnt abusive they'd lie that bad, in such great numbers, ALL SAYING THE SAME THING FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS FROM ACCROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY! Its not all about parent VS child, anyway!! Im sure that if they WERE abused and theres a "30 day warranty" that you get 30 days of free programming if the kid doesnt act the way the parents want, theyd do what they could to stay out of the program.

Also, I dont know if you noticed this, but it seems a lot of what the parents care about is how the child is acting and what they do - not the childs wellbeing. They say more about "WELL HES IN X CLUB IN X COLLEGE GETTING GOOD GRADES MHM" or obedience than their true happiness.

But the childs therapist or counselor might. Typically a child is evaluated prior to entering a RTC by a third party i.e. hospital, therapist, counselor. They do this to see if the child is a good match for their particular program (model) and has a good chance for success. If they dont fit the requirements they are, in most cases, given other options or names of programs which may be better suited for the child.

I have yet to see ANY evidence of that whatsoever,  sorry. When I hear repots of children going in for not agreeing with their stepmom, or bad grades, or simple depression, or homosexual love poems in a diary, and then see no checks and balances, and the fact that its very much PROFIT DRIVEN, or the story of abused children going for 'therapy', or the litany of children with no real, severe problems going to programs, I gotta call bullshit on this.

Hell, just ask Helenahandbasket. She was put away for REVENGE becuase her MOM was the fucking drunk!

I dare you to find me ONE instance of a program turning a cash co... a child, away.  

refuge or rest, not necessarily rest, I agree. But a refuge from what ever it is that they need to get away from.

So, a refuge from a burning house is anything thats not on fire, even if its a gulag?

Sorry, thats bullshit.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.
-- Margaret Mead

[Helena Handbasket]

Hell, just ask Helenahandbasket. She was put away for REVENGE becuase her MOM was the fucking drunk!

It's true - breaking a drunk's bottles or pouring out their booze is indicative of "Druggie Behavior".

... and Niles, you know Handbasket is my last name :grin:

[Anonymous]

***Typically a child is evaluated prior to entering a RTC by a third party i.e. hospital, therapist, counselor. They do this to see if the child is a good match for their particular program (model) and has a good chance for success. If they dont fit the requirements they are, in most cases, given other options or names of programs which may be better suited for the child.

That's a crock. Which programs require a pre-eval? There's a parent in the Aspen forum telling how she demanded an eval five months into the program, only to find they couldn't help her son with his 'problem'.

[Troll Control]

"Typically a child is evaluated prior to entering a RTC by a third party i.e. hospital, therapist, counselor.  They do this to see if the child is a good match for their particular program (model) and has a good chance for success.  If they dont fit the requirements they are, in most cases, given other options or names of programs which may be better suited for the child."

This is a complete and total lie.  Parents fill out questionaires about their kid and the RTC just slaps on a label based on what the parent said.  

Working at one of these places I saw dozens of kids come in and were summarily labeled "ODD" without ever having received any evaluation of any kind whatsoever.  

I know for a fact what you're saying is utter nonsense.

[TheWho]

Sorry -- I cant speak to what I dont know.  I am telling of my own experiences.  I know first hand of people who were turned down by ASR after they were evaluated by a third party.  I am not saying all kids are required because I dont know that, none of us do.  But they require an evaluation of atleast some children.  Kids that have graduated, look back and remember it was called the "Bubble"  because it was a safe place to be.  Maybe that is a double edge sword, because after they left it was difficult being outside the "Bubble" and readjusting to everyday life.  But during the time there, atleast some of them, felt they were in a safe place, maybe all of them (but I never met all of them so I dont really know).

I do have to say that anyone who claims to know every aspect or every program, is really fooling himself and the one flinging the BS.  You should speak about what you know about.  What I am talking about is what I personally know.  If you talk about being abused in a facility I know nothing about, I will believe you.