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« Reply #255 on: October 03, 2005, 11:21:00 PM »
Yep, and we all know how the ed cons and those sleezy parent-run-referral services love to tell parents how THEY HELP FAMILIES HEAL ... it's a salespitch, and as shown by this article, it's a racket.

BUYER BEWARE.
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« Reply #256 on: October 03, 2005, 11:27:00 PM »
From the article:

Experts in education and adolescent psychology speculate that in the past 30 years our culture has put less emphasis on individual responsibility and too much on individual satisfaction, creating a culture of adult children who don't know about delayed gratification.

Diane Ehrensaft -- a developmental and clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, professor at the Wright Institute in Berkeley, Calif., and author of two books -- was moved to write her second book when she realized "that something profound was occurring in our culture that needed explanation." In "Spoiling Childhood: How Well-Meaning Parents Are Giving Their Children Too Much -- But Not What They Need," Ehrensaft explores the many contradictions that define today's parents.



"How could this same group of parents be simultaneously accused of being the most self-centered and self-indulgent, and also the most child-centered and overly indulgent, generation of parents in modern history?" she asks. "Can it be both ways?"

The answer is affirmative. Describing times of rapid cultural flux, Ehrensaft posits that there have been dominant directives about raising children for many decades, from habit training in the 1930s to the more permissive approaches of Benjamin Spock in the 1940s and 1950s. No clear directives exist today. Limited time for "parenting," overburdened two-income parents with fragile emotional ties, fear for our children's future and a generation of "Peter Pan" parents are some of the factors that contribute to today's "crisis in parenthood."

"Consumed by their own stress and worries, feeling more afraid, alone, and professionally insecure than parents in the past, mothers and fathers attempt to bolster their own self-esteem by having precocious and high-achieving sons and daughters," writes Ehrensaft. This confluence of stress and insecurities has created a sort of freakish adult-child, perhaps best typified by Jessica Dubroll, the cheerfully officious 7-year-old who lost her life while attempting to fly solo across the country.

Children are both pushed to progress and overcoddled

As the trend toward being more grown-up starts at a younger age, a curious parenting permutation has emerged. Children are both pushed to progress and overcoddled, not by parents who are selfish or uncaring but, as Ehrensaft points out, "by confused parents who have no clear picture of what a child is and are unconscious of the vacillations between hurrying our children and holding them back. As a result, childhood is simultaneously contracting and expanding in some bizarre fashion."

Equally bizarre is the phenomenon in which parents who push their children to grow up fast are often the same Peter Pan parents who never really wanted to grow up themselves, and thus have a paradoxically well-intentioned but myopic view of parenting that fetishizes, glorifies and commodifies childhood. Parenthood, which comes as a shock, becomes a high-investment, high-risk endeavor instead of a natural, evolving developmental process.

The best specialty schools function with a high awareness of dysfunctional parental dynamics and require parents to participate in a series of increasingly complex personal development programs for the duration of their child's enrollment. Says Katie Brown, a CEDU alumni, "Parental involvement is crucial. Lots of parents send kids off to be fixed. These kids aren't necessarily broken, but the parents are."

So are teens truly more defiant and troubled than ever before? Or are we experiencing a sort of cultural déjà vu that harks back to the '50s, when the sexually and morally "degenerate" influences of rock 'n' roll, among other things, set off waves of parental panic throughout the nation?

"Absolutely," says Ponton. "There are a number of parallels here." The first similarity is statistical: There was a big boom in the teen population during the '50s. Beyond that, there is a remarkable replay of old perceptions that the parents of today's teens once rejected as irrational and unfair.

"These things are definitely culture based. Teens are once again perceived as risk takers, as dangerous," says Ponton. "When society is doing well economically -- as was also the case in the '50s -- people tend to dump on teens. You'd think economically good times would be good for teens, but they're not."

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« Reply #257 on: October 04, 2005, 02:03:00 AM »
Holy fucking shit I remember Katie Brown! She was a friend of mine. At least, I think I recall Brown being her last name. She went to RMA in the late 80s. My memory is so fucked up I can't even remember the last names of a lot of my friends from there, but I'm pretty sure it was Brown. She was in the same peer group as Mary H.
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« Reply #258 on: October 04, 2005, 07:34:00 AM »
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"If YOU are concerned about the kids and the school, then YOU should also be concerned about this school not being accredited, don't you think?  That's a whole lot of money down the drain for a worthless diploma."


Some may feel the diploma is secondary, the welfare of the child is primary.  The child may be able to go back to his or her state and test out of the high school he or she was in and receive a diploma there."


Fine, maybe that is the case... then call it what it is!  Don't wrap it up in an air of ivy league and hang a moniker on it that sounds like a resort.

Funny how the ed-cons, schools and parents spin this crap, it's not called "Manipulation", but the minute a kid verbalizes his dislike of the hellhole, that's "Manipulation".
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« Reply #259 on: October 04, 2005, 08:20:00 AM »
"There's just one little problem with this scenario, instead of sending the kid away, his folks should have sought marital and family counseling to address their pathological parenting. Parents are blaming their kids, when the problem is grounded in the parent's own pathology."

Gee- why didn't the parents think of that?  Wait-everything possible was done before the kids were sent to a program.  You don't seem to understand that, so let me repeat.  Programs are a last resort.  

Carlbrook is licensed by the state as an academic boarding school.
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« Reply #260 on: October 04, 2005, 09:45:00 AM »
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"We are quaking in our boots.  Oh, please, don't tell on us!  Gee-how did we operate for 3 years and have all these kids admitted to fine colleges?  I guess we should have checked with Fornits about the need for accreditation."
What an idiot.  I hope this person has no contact with any kids there.  Great modeling - NOT.
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« Reply #261 on: October 04, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
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There's just one little problem with this scenario, instead of sending the kid away, his folks should have sought marital and family counseling to address their pathological parenting.  Parents are blaming their kids, when the problem is grounded in the parent's own pathology.



One can only wonder how this kid feels today about CEDU, for all we know, he could be one of the Fornits posters accusing CEDU of being a cult (which is was).



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Not sure it said how hard or little the parents tried prior to choosing a TBS as a possible solution..... and remember the author of this book could belong to the same country club and drive the same class mercedes as the TBS owners and the money is coming from the same "Struggling parents", so since the author of the book is motivated by cash should we believe the spin?  Has she ever parented a child?  If she was really interested in helping the kids she would give the book away for free to "Struggling Parents" so they will think twice about sending their kids away.  Should have had it accredited by 3 government agencies prior to release,also.
This is not my opinion, I have actually read one of her books and she is very insightful.  I was just applying some of the logic that seems to be popular around here.
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« Reply #262 on: October 04, 2005, 12:34:00 PM »
So its okay because you got away with it? That sure is being accoutnable.

Its also liscensed as an ACADEMIC Boarding school, not what it is, a program. *Sigh*[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-10-04 09:35 ]

EDIT: Would you bagheads kindly fix the quote tags already? Or just not have two open ["quote"] tags?[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-10-04 09:49 ]
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« Reply #263 on: October 04, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
Generally, If the school is not regionally accredited or approved by the state, the student has to make a stop-over at a tech center or community college, get a GED and an AA and THEN transfer into one of these fine schools that were mentioned.  

However, there is a slight chance that the "state approval" process does accept diplomas from schools such as Carlbrook because of the state LICENSING designation.

There's also something else to consider -  I know for a fact with University of Florida and Boston University - that having a family member for an alumnus with enough money will get you in the door even if you have a GPA of 0.50.  

I'm guessing if your family can afford Carlbrook, they can afford an education at their Alma Mater as well - qualified or not.


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« Reply #264 on: October 04, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
Wrong again, Helena.  Many of these families are spending their college funds on the emotional growth schools.  At the rate these kids were going, the college funds weren't going to be needed.  Did you not see the section on the incredible amount of merit awards and financial aid the Carlbrook kids were receiving?  I assure you, the kids at NYU and RPI did not make a stopover at a tech school.  
Was Cascade accredited?  Despite the problems last year, kids coming out of there in previous years were going to top colleges.  Same with Oakley.
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« Reply #265 on: October 04, 2005, 01:11:00 PM »
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There's just one little problem with this scenario, instead of sending the kid away, his folks should have sought marital and family counseling to address their pathological parenting.  Parents are blaming their kids, when the problem is grounded in the parent's own pathology.







One can only wonder how this kid feels today about CEDU, for all we know, he could be one of the Fornits posters accusing CEDU of being a cult (which is was).







 :smokin: "


I was just applying some of the logic that seems to be popular around here."


That logic being that contrary to what the teen hurt industry would have us all believe, it is the parents, not the kids, who need help.

Yep, those of us who know a thing or two about this industry, have known that for a long time.

It's the parents who are emotionally troubled.

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« Reply #266 on: October 04, 2005, 01:17:00 PM »
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"Wrong again, Helena.  Many of these families are spending their college funds on the emotional growth schools.  At the rate these kids were going, the college funds weren't going to be needed.  Did you not see the section on the incredible amount of merit awards and financial aid the Carlbrook kids were receiving?  I assure you, the kids at NYU and RPI did not make a stopover at a tech school.  

Was Cascade accredited?  Despite the problems last year, kids coming out of there in previous years were going to top colleges.  Same with Oakley."



No, I didn't see anything about those.  Contrary to popular belief, I do have a life outside.

Fine - If everything you say is true, then Carlbrook, Cascade and Oakley may be on to something wonderful.  Maybe they are decent "Emotional Growth" schools, and they actually give a damn about academics.  

Why don't you question the lack of accrediation?  How long have they been in operation?
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« Reply #267 on: October 04, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
College Scholarships
70% of the seniors in the 2003-04 graduating classes were offered academic merit-based scholarships from one or more colleges or universities. The total value of scholarships offered was approximately $3.1 million, with an average of over $85,000 per student.

This was posted previously on this thread and you replied to the post.
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« Reply #268 on: October 04, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
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"College Scholarships

70% of the seniors in the 2003-04 graduating classes were offered academic merit-based scholarships from one or more colleges or universities. The total value of scholarships offered was approximately $3.1 million, with an average of over $85,000 per student.



This was posted previously on this thread and you replied to the post."


Ah, yes... but you never cited your source.  These stats come from http://www.carlbrook.org/academics/acc.htm

But I have checked out their site.  The big red flag for me is their acceptance criteria is questioning authority and underachieving, and it's such a "Prep School" with high standards, but you only need an IQ of 105 to get in there.

Tim Brace was also on staff with CEDU - lots of good stuff about him can be read right here:

http://www.fornits.baremetal.com/wwf/vi ... forum=11&9

You're telling me that you wouldn't question this as a parent?  


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« Reply #269 on: October 04, 2005, 01:44:00 PM »
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There's just one little problem with this scenario, instead of sending the kid away, his folks should have sought marital and family counseling to address their pathological parenting.  Parents are blaming their kids, when the problem is grounded in the parent's own pathology.











One can only wonder how this kid feels today about CEDU, for all we know, he could be one of the Fornits posters accusing CEDU of being a cult (which is was).











 :smokin: "





I was just applying some of the logic that seems to be popular around here."




That logic being that contrary to what the teen hurt industry would have us all believe, it is the parents, not the kids, who need help.



Yep, those of us who know a thing or two about this industry, have known that for a long time.



It's the parents who are emotionally troubled.



 :grin:



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Woops == I think you sort of stepped in it (by accident).  The poster said he was using your logic not theirs, therefore you just slammed yourself.  Ouch  I have done it myself plenty of times, no biggie.  I dont think you mentioned that you read the book (oversight?)
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