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« Reply #240 on: October 02, 2005, 09:20:00 PM »
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I don't care whether you believe me or not. You asked a question.


You can't stand to be proven wrong, can you?"



Just what did you teach there? Hopefully not English.

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« Reply #241 on: October 03, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-02 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Please keep in mind that the posters on this forum have no real knowledge of what it even means for a school to be accredited.  It has nothing to do with issuing false diplomas.  If a student meets the course requirements for graduation in that state (in the case of Carlbrook- Virginia), a diploma can be issued.  The teachers are all very well credentialed. In the three years or so that Carlbrook has been around not one student has failed to go on to college, private school or back into the public schools.  No Carlbrook credits have ever been refused.  Accreditation has been applied for, by the way.  It is not a rapid process.  "
So you admit that they are not accredited then.  Good.  That point is taken care of.

Now, let me educate you:  UNACCREDITED schools CAN NOT issue a state diploma, PERIOD.  It matters not if they are "in the process" of accreditation.  AGAIN, look at Ivy Ridge for the proper case law.

If Carlbrook is issuing diplomas that they claim to be legally issued in the state of Virginia, they ARE COMMITTING FRAUD.  It's acut-and-dried issue.  It's been validated through the cases of several other so-called "schools."  Carlbrook is issuing FRAUDULENT Virginia diplomas.
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« Reply #242 on: October 03, 2005, 01:05:00 PM »
Of course posters on this forum KNOW what accreditation means! And posters KNOW what it means to be lied to by schools who commit FRAUD when the so-called school presents itself as "fully accredited" when it is NOT.

That is exactly why there are civil law suits that are WON!
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« Reply #243 on: October 03, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »
Well, when this becomes a problem for Carlbrook, I'll be sure to let you know.
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« Reply #244 on: October 03, 2005, 02:37:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well, when this becomes a problem for Carlbrook, I'll be sure to let you know."


Oh, what happened to us omitting the truth?
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« Reply #245 on: October 03, 2005, 02:45:00 PM »
Anonymous, thats not the problem. Nobody here is thinking about it from the point of view of good or bad for carlbrook as an entity with which we are concerned for its own welfare.

We're concerned about the welfare of the students and allegedly fradulent actions from Carlbrook, and any problems the students might have from a invalid diploma.

Why even make a statement about how its good or not good for Carlbrook? We don't care about their profit or wellbeing.

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« Reply #246 on: October 03, 2005, 03:46:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well, when this becomes a problem for Carlbrook, I'll be sure to let you know."
Nobody's going to need your lame ass to anything.  We'll know before you do, as we're the ones forwarding the information to the Virginia Attorney General.

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« Reply #247 on: October 03, 2005, 04:02:00 PM »
We are quaking in our boots.  Oh, please, don't tell on us!  Gee-how did we operate for 3 years and have all these kids admitted to fine colleges?  I guess we should have checked with Fornits about the need for accreditation.
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« Reply #248 on: October 03, 2005, 07:13:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 11:45:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Anonymous, thats not the problem. Nobody here is thinking about it from the point of view of good or bad for carlbrook as an entity with which we are concerned for its own welfare.



We're concerned about the welfare of the students and allegedly fradulent actions from Carlbrook, and any problems the students might have from a invalid diploma.



Why even make a statement about how its good or not good for Carlbrook? We don't care about their profit or wellbeing.

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It seems like you are projecting your point of view.  There could be plenty of people concerned with the welfare of the kids and the school who view this site.
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« Reply #249 on: October 03, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
If YOU are concerned about the kids and the school, then YOU should also be concerned about this school not being accredited, don't you think?  That's a whole lot of money down the drain for a worthless diploma.
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« Reply #250 on: October 03, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 13:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"We are quaking in our boots.  Oh, please, don't tell on us!  Gee-how did we operate for 3 years and have all these kids admitted to fine colleges?  I guess we should have checked with Fornits about the need for accreditation."


You know, you don't sound like much of a staff member to me. Not very professional at all. Not sure what a staff member would want to be doing arguing with a bunch of people on a message board about the school, anyway.
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« Reply #251 on: October 03, 2005, 09:40:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If YOU are concerned about the kids and the school, then YOU should also be concerned about this school not being accredited, don't you think?  That's a whole lot of money down the drain for a worthless diploma."

Some may feel the diploma is secondary, the welfare of the child is primary.  The child may be able to go back to his or her state and test out of the high school he or she was in and receive a diploma there.
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« Reply #252 on: October 03, 2005, 10:39:00 PM »
Are we in the grips of a teen crisis, a developmental emergency that requires expensive intervention? Not exactly, say experts in adolescent psychology. Statistics show that teenagers aren't really acting up or out more than they have in the past. Instead we are more likely in a crisis of parenthood that has created a lucrative new market for specialty schools and educational consultants. If there is a serious problem here, it may be one of parenting and perception, not bad kids.


http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/WhoseCr ... nyway.html
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« Reply #253 on: October 03, 2005, 10:55:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 19:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are we in the grips of a teen crisis, a developmental emergency that requires expensive intervention? Not exactly, say experts in adolescent psychology. Statistics show that teenagers aren't really acting up or out more than they have in the past. Instead we are more likely in a crisis of parenthood that has created a lucrative new market for specialty schools and educational consultants. If there is a serious problem here, it may be one of parenting and perception, not bad kids.





http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/WhoseCr ... nyway.html



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or as the article goes on to say, a family which needs healing:

As for Dylan, he didn't particularly enjoy CEDU at first ("My attitude toward everyone that first year was basically 'Fuck off and die,'" he says), but he credits it with saving his life and attributes his parents' work on themselves as an essential and crucial part of the process. "I was suspicious at first," he says. "I never saw them being vulnerable, but over time I saw that this was for real. They were trying to share old, deep pain.



"It was the first time I was really touched by my parents -- with them doing something for themselves with no burdens or expectations on me. That's when I began to get over my anger and work actively on trying to heal, trying to mend our relationship."
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« Reply #254 on: October 03, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 19:39:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Are we in the grips of a teen crisis, a developmental emergency that requires expensive intervention? Not exactly, say experts in adolescent psychology. Statistics show that teenagers aren't really acting up or out more than they have in the past. Instead we are more likely in a crisis of parenthood that has created a lucrative new market for specialty schools and educational consultants. If there is a serious problem here, it may be one of parenting and perception, not bad kids.








http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/WhoseCr ... nyway.html





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or as the article goes on to say, a family which needs healing:



As for Dylan, he didn't particularly enjoy CEDU at first ("My attitude toward everyone that first year was basically 'Fuck off and die,'" he says), but he credits it with saving his life and attributes his parents' work on themselves as an essential and crucial part of the process. "I was suspicious at first," he says. "I never saw them being vulnerable, but over time I saw that this was for real. They were trying to share old, deep pain.







"It was the first time I was really touched by my parents -- with them doing something for themselves with no burdens or expectations on me. That's when I began to get over my anger and work actively on trying to heal, trying to mend our relationship."

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There's just one little problem with this scenario, instead of sending the kid away, his folks should have sought marital and family counseling to address their pathological parenting.  Parents are blaming their kids, when the problem is grounded in the parent's own pathology.

One can only wonder how this kid feels today about CEDU, for all we know, he could be one of the Fornits posters accusing CEDU of being a cult (which is was).

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