Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

[Helena Handbasket]

Uh, it's WHISKEY...Tango...Foxtrot.



Ironically, it's the phonetic alphabet from the conformity factory - U.S. Armed Services.  Funny.



For the intellectually challenged, or "academic underachievers" it's an acronym for "What The Fuck?"



Just messing with you, Ms. Basket... :grin:

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-02 09:57:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2005-10-02 09:39:00, Anonymous wrote:


"But there are plenty of emotional growth schools where a diploma IS worth something, where you can take AP courses, SAT prep etc. and get into fine colleges.  


You conveniently omit about 80% of the truth."

Carlbrook School  

Name: Carlbrook School  

Type: Boarding Schools  

Address: 3046 Carlbrook RD

Halifax, VA 24592

USA

Phone: (434) 476-2406  

Website: Carlbrook School website

 

Ages: 15 - 18  

Gender: Co-Ed  

Description: Carlbrook serves the needs of bright, underachieving students who have historically challenged convention and questioned authority.







 

Enroll Info: All students are expected to successfully complete a wilderness experience prior to matriculation on the main campus. Students typically have a WISC-III FS-IQ of 105 or higher and most will have completed at least 1 year of high school prior to enrollment.



 

Student Profile: Spirited students experiencing difficulty in the mainstream. Academic difficulty are diminished self-esteem, impulsivity, increased irritability at home, shifts in peer alignment, experimentation with drugs or alcohol, non-participation in organized extracurricular activities, pervasive irresponsibility, social withdrawal, lack of organizational skills and general apathy

Academics: The school year will consist of five 9-week academic periods comprising three full semesters, to correspond with tri-annual graduations. As such, most students have the opportunity to complete up to two academic years of study over the course of their 15-month education at the school.

 

Activities: Basketball, soccer, softball, volleyball, badminton and other team sports. Individual sports such as cross-country running, hiking, biking, aerobics and weight training.Carlbrook students are currently involved with a wide variety of local and regional organizations, including the Halifax County Humane Society, Boston Commons Nursing Home, Feed the Community, and Habitat for Humanity

Campus: School facilities include the original mansion which houses the school library, computer lab and administrative offices, a new 13,000 square foot Commons building, a kitchen and dining facility, a small infirmary, eight modern classrooms with high-speed internet access, two physical and biological science labs, a seminar/workshop facility, and two dormitory buildings.

 

Family Involvement: The Carlbrook School is resolute in its commitment to involve parents in as many facets of the educational experience as possible.

Length of Stay: 15-month educational model

 

Philosophy: Honor is the foundation of self-perception and positive self-image.

Tuition/Costs: Monthly Tuition: $4,900

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$4900/mo and this place is UNACCREDITED.  They have no status with any accreditation organization, not even the phony one (Northwest) used by WWASP and some others - NONE.



Tell me again how a kid can get a "diploma" from an unaccredited "school"...?  Last I heard, this is called "fraud."



Ivy Ridge in NY was doing the same thing as Carlbrook - issuing "diplomas" without accreditation.  



They were exposed when some "students" got rejected from colleges due to PHONY DIPLOMAS being submitted with their applications.  Parents went to the Attorney General, Ivy Ridge was sued and agreed to repay over $1,000,000.00 in tuition and was ORDERED TO STOP ISSUING "DIPLOMAS" under false pretenses.



The same will happen to Carlbrook, but it takes time.



These places are TC's maquerading as "schools" so they are more palatable to prospective parents and can "justify" their incredible price tag.



If you parents are dumb enough to buy this package then you deserve what you get.  Unfortunately your kids don't deserve what they're getting, but, hey, we already know you don't care about that.
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Issuing false diplomas is the fastest way to have your school shut down (academically) bad news, I imagine the kids had to retest in their own state or return to school which would suck.
My kid finished up before senior year so she just reemerged into the school system at home and did fine.  Some of the kids on the brighter side of the spectrum were excepted into college based on their SAT scores.  Not sure what they did for a HS diploma.  Some of the other kids went for a GED when they got home.,but false diplomas thats bad

[Anonymous]

Please keep in mind that the posters on this forum have no real knowledge of what it even means for a school to be accredited.  It has nothing to do with issuing false diplomas.  If a student meets the course requirements for graduation in that state (in the case of Carlbrook- Virginia), a diploma can be issued.  The teachers are all very well credentialed. In the three years or so that Carlbrook has been around not one student has failed to go on to college, private school or back into the public schools.  No Carlbrook credits have ever been refused.  Accreditation has been applied for, by the way.  It is not a rapid process.

[Anonymous]

Yeh, those 'emotional growth diplomas' don't cut it in the real world.
Having a stint in a TB or EGS on your record can be a hinderance, just as a psych dx.

[Anonymous]

Carlbrook-  Looks like the diploma was worth something!

College Acceptances

Class of 2003-04
Acceptances represent 34 states and the District of Columbia, and included the following schools:
Agnes Scott College (5)
University of Alabama
American University (6)
Appalachian State University (3)
University of Arizona (2)
Arizona State University
Auburn University (3)
Baylor University
Birmingham-Southern College (2)
Boston University (3)
Brandeis University
University of California, Irvine (2)
University of California, Riverside (2)
University of California, Santa Barbara (2)
University of California, Santa Cruz (2)
Cal Poly, Pomona (2)
Carnegie Mellon University
Case Western Reserve University (2)
Centre College (3)
University of Cincinnati (2)
Clemson University (5)
College of Charleston (2)
Colorado College
University of Colorado, Boulder (5)
Colorado State University (2)
University of Connecticut (2)
Cornell College (2)
University of Denver
Dickinson College (2)
Earlham College
Elon University
Florida State University
Franklin and Marshall College (2)
Furman University (3)
George Mason University (3)
Georgetown University
George Washington University (2)
Georgia State University (2)
Gonzaga University
Goucher College (5)
Grinnell College
Hampden-Sydney College
Hofstra University
University of Illinois
Indiana University
Ithaca College (6)
James Madison University
Kansas State University
University of Kentucky (3)
Lawrence University
Louisiana State University (2)
Loyola College in Maryland
Loyola Marymount University
Loyola University, New Orleans (3)
University of Maine
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts, Amherst (2)
University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth
Miami University of Ohio
Michigan State University (2)
Millsaps College (3)
   University of Mississippi (5)
Mississippi State University
Mount Holyoke College (2)
New York University
University of North Carolina, Asheville (6)
University of North Carolina, Charlotte (5)
University of North Carolina, Greensboro (3)
University of North Carolina, Wilmington (2)
North Carolina State University (3)
Oberlin College
Ohio University (4)
Ohio Wesleyan University (2)
Old Dominion University (3)
University of Oregon
Oregon State University
Oxford College of Emory University (3)
Pennsylvania State University (2)
University of Pittsburgh
Presbyterian College (3)
Purdue University (2)
Randolph-Macon College (6)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (2)
University of Rhode Island (2)
Rhodes College (4)
University of Rochester
Rochester Institute of Technology
Rutgers University (2)
St. Lawrence University
St. Michael?s College (2)
University of San Diego
San Diego State University (2)
University of San Francisco
Seton Hall University
University of the South ? Sewanee (5)
University of South Carolina (3)
Southern Methodist University
Southwestern University
Sweet Briar College (5)
Syracuse University (2)
Temple University (2)
University of Tennessee (2)
University of Texas, Dallas
University of Texas, El Paso
University of Texas, San Antonio (2)
Texas A&M University
Texas Christian University (2)
Texas Tech University (2)
Trinity University
Valparaiso University (3)
University of Vermont (4)
Villanova University
Virginia Commonwealth University
Virginia Tech University (2)
Wake Forest University
University of Washington
Washington State University
University of West Virginia
Willamette University
University of Wisconsin, Madison
Wofford College (5)
Xavier University


College Scholarships
70% of the seniors in the 2003-04 graduating classes were offered academic merit-based scholarships from one or more colleges or universities. The total value of scholarships offered was approximately $3.1 million, with an average of over $85,000 per student.

[Anonymous]

To build on the list provided by the last poster, that doesn't include the number of kids who go on to top prep schools before going to college.  The acceptances out of the prep schools following Carlbrook include NYU, Princeton and Duke.
I understand that Oakley is just as good- more west coast colleges, though.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Carlbrook-  Looks like the diploma was worth something!

---snip---

Where's the source of this information?

[Anonymous]

The Carlbrook website- and it is totally accurate. Every one of those acceptances can be documented.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Please keep in mind that the posters on this forum have no real knowledge of what it even means for a school to be accredited.  

No idea, huh?  While I've never dealt with elementary or secondary education, I can tell you that attending a non-accredited law school in the state of Florida precludes you from becoming a member of the Florida Bar.  You can see how that's a real pisser right here: http://www.lc.org/hotissues/2001/aba_1- ... 011502.pdf

It has nothing to do with issuing false diplomas.  If a student meets the course requirements for graduation in that state (in the case of Carlbrook- Virginia), a diploma can be issued.  The teachers are all very well credentialed. In the three years or so that Carlbrook has been around not one student has failed to go on to college, private school or back into the public schools.  No Carlbrook credits have ever been refused.  Accreditation has been applied for, by the way.  It is not a rapid process.  "

Barry University has applied for accreditation also.  You see where they are.  The check being in the mail ain't enough.

Here are a few of the top school's requirements in Florida.

From the University of Florida: http://www.admissions.ufl.edu/ugrad/frqualify.html

Minimum Admission Requirements

    * Graduation from a regionally accredited or state-approved secondary school or the equivalent (G.E.D., etc.)

From Florida State University:
http://www.fsu.edu/prospective/admissio ... hreq.shtml

"Admission to Florida State University requires graduation from a regionally accredited high school with certain high school academic units..."

Hmmm... didn't I see FSU in that list?   :question:  :question:  :question:

From The University of South Florida:
http://usfweb2.usf.edu/admissions/requirements.htm

"Admissions Criteria -

To be admitted as a first time in college student, applicants must have graduated from an accredited secondary school. Home schooled students and graduates of unaccredited schools may be asked to submit additional documentation outlining their educational background. The General Educational Development (GED) test score is accepted in place of a high school diploma."

From the University of Miami:
http://www.miami.edu/UMH/CDA/UMH_Main/1 ... -2,00.html

"Admission is selective and is offered to those applicants whose credentials are academically sound, and whose interests, aptitudes and preparation reflect a well-rounded secondary school experience, inside and outside* the classroom."

* A little hard to do anything "outside" when you're locked up, isn't it?


You're right.  I don't know a damned thing about the accrediation process - but I certainly know where I won't waste my money, energy and time.  But of course, it's not YOUR time you're wasting, is it?   When your kid finally finishes college at age 30, maybe they'll have the good sense to ask you why you chose to delay them.  Of course, if they have no sense at all, they'll just be parrotting the tired old, "I'd be deadinsaneinja-a-a-a-a-a-il otherwise."

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 17:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The Carlbrook website- and it is totally accurate. Every one of those acceptances can be documented."

Documented how?  From Carlbrook?  Funny - I can tell you I have a PhD from Harvard and stick it on a website... you're gonna believe it?

[Anonymous]

I taught there.  I know the kids.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I taught there.  I know the kids."

BFD.  I've taught college.  I've known the students .   Does that have something to do with the issue?

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 18:12:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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On 2005-10-02 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I taught there.  I know the kids."

BFD.  I've taught at an ACCREDITEDcollege.  I've known the students .   Does that have something to do with the issue, or do you want to wave your wanker some more?
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Where are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket??[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-10-02 18:16 ]

[Anonymous]

It was a response to your question about the accuracy of the college acceptance data.  It is accurate.  I know who the kids are who were accepted to the schools and where they are attending.
I don't care whether you believe me or not. You asked a question.
You can't stand to be proven wrong, can you?

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-02 18:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It was a response to your question about the accuracy of the college acceptance data.  It is accurate.  I know who the kids are who were accepted to the schools and where they are attending.

I don't care whether you believe me or not. You asked a question.

You can't stand to be proven wrong, can you?"

Untrue.  When you show me proof, I'll believe it.