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Does anyone remember Straight with any fondness?
« on: August 16, 2005, 04:04:00 PM »
Were there any good things about Straight?
I went to the Seed and I have some really good memories...
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 04:16:00 PM »
Not one thing was good about Straight. Straight was the darkest part of my life! It was a total hell-hole!
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 06:02:00 PM »
Not really. However, having learned more than I ever wanted to know about some other programs, I must say we had an easier time of it in many ways than some of those kids.

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 06:43:00 PM »
i really don't have any fond memories of my time in str8.  i was basically under siege for the 23 months that i spent on my phases.  i have never felt so alone, isolated and forsaken in my life as i felt while i endured their daily assaults on my mind, body and spirit.  Their crimes against me are too many to count.

Havin' said that, there is one thing that str8 did give me that is good, and that is the ability to look within myself for the answers to my questions.  i will attempt to put my thoughts on this subject into words for you now but please keep in mind that the words are not adequate to communicating what is in my mind, perhaps a painting, or a sculpture or a cloud driftin' by would be a more accurate expression.  

  Str8 taught me that i was not the clothes that i wore or the words i spoke or the way i combed my hair, or the possessions that i owned.  Nor am i the thoughts that i think or the beliefs which i hold.  These things were all taken from me in order that i might be made vulnerable and weak and defenseless against their invasion of my mind.  Their motives were criminal, and their karma will be heavy, but in stripping me of every attachment to my ego, they taught me to observe the workings of my own mind.  This is a spiritual place.  This is why monks leave the world and give up all their worldly possessions to go live in caves high up on mountains in the desert, so that they may know themselves.  Socrates teaches: "know thyself".  i have pondered the meaning of his statement for years.  i am not sure but what i think he is gettin' at is that when you know yourself then you begin to recognize the way in which you project your own thoughts and ideas onto the world around you.  As long as you don't know yourself then you are living in a world of self delusion and cannot, therefore, know the world as it truly is.  When someone who doesn't know themselves looks at the world all they see is a reflection of themselves and not the world as it is at all.  i think that this has something to do with Socrates' statement. i think that str8 unwittingly helped me to understand socrates' teaching.

Str8s' intentions in stripping me of all attachment to my ego was to tear down my own personal identity so that they could then re-build my personality in any way that they wanted.  This is wrong because it was not something i chose to do myself of my own free will, but something that i was forced to do through coercion and intimidation.  They usurped my right to self-dtermination. They had no right to treat me in this way. i bear many scars and have unhealed wounds to this day.

There are many spiritual teachings  whose message is: transcend the ego.  Buddhism goes so far as to teach that even the idea of the self is simply an illusion.  That is not to say that we don't exist, but that we are free of any attachment to the ego if only we could see clearly what it is.  If only we could recognize ourselves as an illusion we would know truth and beauty and freedom and not be chained down to identifyin' ourselves as our possessions or our experiences or our beliefs.  

It seems to me that str8 has helped me to be able to begin to see myself more clearly, and so the world.  i am not what they tried to make me into.  i smoke ganja, drink alcohol, engage in pre-marital sex and have little respect for authority(just enough to try to stay outta jail).  If i had sought out these truths of my own free will i would be a monk or at least a pilgrim on the path.  And in a way that is what i am.  In studyin' religion and mythology and philosophy it is imperative to have the skills which enable oneself to look within.  As i stated earlier str8s' motives were self serving and therefore criminal, and there will be heavy karma for the perpetrators of those crimes to bear, but i have discovered a tool in the midst of their oppression against me, that has helped me beyond what i can convey in words, to begin to see clearly the truth of all things.  


i am not free from attachment to my own ego.  i carry karma of my own.  i am not the Buddha or Christ, i am a livin' man.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 07:06:00 PM »
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"Were there any good things about Straight?



Yeah, the food was great, better than some 5-star restaurants I've been to, the love I felt while being sat on by five other people was beautiful, the kindness I felt from getting spit on in the face was very moving, the amazing insight Dr. Newton had was quite impressive, all in all it was a great time and I wish it never ended.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2005, 08:19:00 PM »
Not only did we get popcorn, once, we also got to slump down in our chairs. This was on the same day as the popcorn. Ah, good times.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2005, 08:49:00 PM »
A fond memory...Hmmm....how about the day I got out.  That's my final answer.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2005, 09:13:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-16 13:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Were there any good things about Straight?

I went to the Seed and I have some really good memories..."



I made some close friends and had some good host parents and that's about it.

I had a good time kicking over a bunch of chairs and yelling out to everyone during open meeting that straight was a nazi camp and they were brainwashing us all when I was on 5th phase.

Other than that, no good times. I lived to go to school and work at my job at McDonalds to be gone as much as possible. Each time I had to go back to that building I was filled with anxiety and would have real bad stomach aches.

We watched a few movies in group like "not my kid". Boy was that a hoot. :em:
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2005, 09:15:00 PM »
Oh yeah, how could I forget? Splitting was a real rush! Almost makes me want to get taken prisoner by another mad cult just so I can do it again.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »
Another good memory was when I got my long hair cut off by one of straight's fully qualified stylists.  It looked a lot better after a wash and a blow dry.  Yep, good times.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
Down on the farm we give the piggies a buttermilk bath before we sell them to be cut up as ham and pork rinds. They love it!
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 09:41:00 PM »
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"Down on the farm we give the piggies a buttermilk bath before we sell them to be cut up as ham and pork rinds. They love it! "



What straight program this did person attend?  Although, given the choice (knowing what I do now), I honestly believe I would have preferred bathing piggies in buttermilk rather than going to the group sessions I remember.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2005, 11:43:00 PM »
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I do have some gratitude for straight.



I opened up in there in a way that I may never have known outside of straight.



The damage done far exceeds the benefits, but I am grateful to have connected with the people I connected with. And grateful to realize that I am capable of really opening my heart. In spite of the poison, our humanness was present. I really hadn't been emotionally intimate until Straight. I would rather not have been emotionally raped, but now after the years of healing, I am grateful.
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Yeah I'm happy I met some cool people there and we hang out and stuff now. However, given the choice between never going there or making some new friends I would have to say I'd take a few less friends.

I do know what you are saying about the intimacy part, but it seems like mine went on overdrive after being there. Like confessing dumb things to people that could care less, constantly apologizing, and on some sort of warped mission to connect with people that really didn't have my best interest at heart. Like for instance accepting intolerable things that people did to me and thinking along the lines it wasn't the real them and it was "just the disease" that made them act this way. It seems like that place turned me into some sort of an emotional cripple for quite a few years. I still cry about damn near everything till this day. I hate it. I don't always want to be sensitive and intimate. The daily confessions in group played a big part in why I cry like I'm nuts or something.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2005, 02:02:00 AM »
kill yourself.
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