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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2005, 09:35:00 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2005, 02:59:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-16 15:43:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

"i really don't have any fond memories of my time in str8.  i was basically under siege for the 23 months that i spent on my phases.  i have never felt so alone, isolated and forsaken in my life as i felt while i endured their daily assaults on my mind, body and spirit.  Their crimes against me are too many to count.



Havin' said that, there is one thing that str8 did give me that is good, and that is the ability to look within myself for the answers to my questions.  i will attempt to put my thoughts on this subject into words for you now but please keep in mind that the words are not adequate to communicating what is in my mind, perhaps a painting, or a sculpture or a cloud driftin' by would be a more accurate expression.  



  Str8 taught me that i was not the clothes that i wore or the words i spoke or the way i combed my hair, or the possessions that i owned.  Nor am i the thoughts that i think or the beliefs which i hold.  These things were all taken from me in order that i might be made vulnerable and weak and defenseless against their invasion of my mind.  Their motives were criminal, and their karma will be heavy, but in stripping me of every attachment to my ego, they taught me to observe the workings of my own mind.  This is a spiritual place.  This is why monks leave the world and give up all their worldly possessions to go live in caves high up on mountains in the desert, so that they may know themselves.  Socrates teaches: "know thyself".  i have pondered the meaning of his statement for years.  i am not sure but what i think he is gettin' at is that when you know yourself then you begin to recognize the way in which you project your own thoughts and ideas onto the world around you.  As long as you don't know yourself then you are living in a world of self delusion and cannot, therefore, know the world as it truly is.  When someone who doesn't know themselves looks at the world all they see is a reflection of themselves and not the world as it is at all.  i think that this has something to do with Socrates' statement. i think that str8 unwittingly helped me to understand socrates' teaching.



Str8s' intentions in stripping me of all attachment to my ego was to tear down my own personal identity so that they could then re-build my personality in any way that they wanted.  This is wrong because it was not something i chose to do myself of my own free will, but something that i was forced to do through coercion and intimidation.  They usurped my right to self-dtermination. They had no right to treat me in this way. i bear many scars and have unhealed wounds to this day.



There are many spiritual teachings  whose message is: transcend the ego.  Buddhism goes so far as to teach that even the idea of the self is simply an illusion.  That is not to say that we don't exist, but that we are free of any attachment to the ego if only we could see clearly what it is.  If only we could recognize ourselves as an illusion we would know truth and beauty and freedom and not be chained down to identifyin' ourselves as our possessions or our experiences or our beliefs.  



It seems to me that str8 has helped me to be able to begin to see myself more clearly, and so the world.  i am not what they tried to make me into.  i smoke ganja, drink alcohol, engage in pre-marital sex and have little respect for authority(just enough to try to stay outta jail).  If i had sought out these truths of my own free will i would be a monk or at least a pilgrim on the path.  And in a way that is what i am.  In studyin' religion and mythology and philosophy it is imperative to have the skills which enable oneself to look within.  As i stated earlier str8s' motives were self serving and therefore criminal, and there will be heavy karma for the perpetrators of those crimes to bear, but i have discovered a tool in the midst of their oppression against me, that has helped me beyond what i can convey in words, to begin to see clearly the truth of all things.  





i am not free from attachment to my own ego.  i carry karma of my own.  i am not the Buddha or Christ, i am a livin' man.



In Peace.







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See, this is how you are brainwashed. Do you really think no one else knows how to "look into themselves for the answers"? I think that is exactly what humans do that makes them well-adjusted, unlike many people who were abused terribly as children. You are missing out on the human race if you think this is a special quality that you gained from Straight that you would not have otherwise had or developed on your own. This is a way in which Straight raped you, to think that you needed anything that they taught you.

As for images and clothing, show me someone who doesn't give a shit about their "image", and I will show you a blind person who is truly clueless. Everyone likes to wear what they want to wear, no one wants to feel like a dork, or be embarassed or misinterpreted in front of other people. For example, it would be hell for me to wear a polo shirt and a smart pair of khakis.

Striaght made you think that was something spiritual, and it played upon many people's religious backgrounds. Self-deprivation, that sort of thing. But I bet even Jesus' disciples had a way they liked to look, to be seen a certain way. The priest picks his vestments from a catalogue. He wants it to have a certain quality about it, to express something about his role in society, what he thinks of himself, and how he wants other people to see him.

You can be in the human race, or you can go up the hill. Just don't think going up the hill is any more brilliant choice than being a farmer with a family who would never abandon them to seek some spiritual ideal that someone else has set forth as being separate from what it is humans do already.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2005, 03:35:00 PM »
i totally see your point. i agree with you in many ways.  However i don't really see too many well adjusted people in society in general.  A lot of the people that i talk to seem to be so self-centered, caught up in their own egos without even knowin' it.  This just leads to strife, conflict, sufferein' and pain. i don't really think too many people ever really learn to look inward or otherwise know themselves.  They are blind.  i, myself, am just beginnin' to see myself. i'm just sayin' that my experience in str8 catalyzed and intensified my desire to look inward.  i have  known for some time that the conditions that brought about this desire in myself are not unique to str8.  That is just where it happened to me. So that is one good thing that happened to me in that place.  Which was the original posters' question. i appreciate your response and will give it some more thought.  Right now i am out of time.  i would like to respond in more depth later.  This thread is an excellent dialogue.

Peace.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »
well put, Dragonfly.  Beautiful.  i feel a healin' takin' place right now.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2005, 06:40:00 PM »
Ok as much as I cant stand to admit it, I did learn something while in straight. Honesty, with both myself and others. I definitely turned my lying streak around while there....mostly out of fear and coercion of course...and then again there's the bad side of the honestly lesson learned...straight's "gift" of honesty overkill/emotional vomiting.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2005, 07:57:00 PM »
I was way more honest before Straight. I don't see how we can even have fucking thread dedicated to "what Straight gave us." Fuck this shit. Jesus Fucking Christ I can't believe this conversation.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2005, 08:37:00 PM »
If anyone got anything remotely positive out of straight, I'm sure the "positves" are different for everyone.

I dont like talking about "remembering straight with fondness" any more than you do. I absolutely cringed and got pissed off when I saw the first post that started this thread. I still say the place was a hell-hole, a living nightmare, etc. I just had to finally break down and agree that while in Straight I learned one, and only thing positive....admitting that one thing does not take away one bit from how horrible it was nor does it negate the damage it caused to me or to many other people.

So anyway, I don't blame you one bit for saying "Fuck this shit."

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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2005, 12:39:00 AM »
Straight painted everybody with the same brush.  If you wanted to 'advance' you HAD to admit you were an alcoholic & a drug addict.  There were no if's, and's or but's about it.  This was unfortunate because we all know many (not all) who came in did not fall in to this category.

I came out knowing how to stick up for myself and not let myself get used...where before I came in this was not the case...it's just the methods used and the length of time we were kept that was wrong.

For me I was in for 11 months...long enough by most standards, but many were kept MUCH longer than that.  Straight's fault or the parents' fault...a combination of both I believe.  To keep a 15 year old kid there until they were 17-18 is an awful thing that can never be undone.  This practice robbed many of their best childhood years.  This is the biggest wrong done to many.

If the program wasn't obviously "working" for someone after 4-6 months, then terminate.  I truly believe these "extended stays" were for no better reason than $$$.

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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2005, 01:10:00 AM »
Maybe my experience was just really different, some people say Straight made them fighters, but it really broke the fighting spirit in me that I had had before.

Also, I was only in there for five and a half months, which seems like nothing to the routine two years that I think many people were in there. But it did plenty of damage in that time, so I don't agree that a shorter program, even, would have been an okay thing. It wasn't just the time, it was the things that went on in there.
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2005, 01:34:00 AM »
God bless all of you pathetic druggie losers. It's good to see that a glimmer of light is showing through to some of you...
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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2005, 02:04:00 AM »
such a sweet post. how can anyone stay mad at you.
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2005, 10:58:00 AM »
I went to sleep last night thinking about what people have said, and seeing their points of view, and then I was terrified that the Straightlings were brainwashing me again, they had found a weakness, by being open-minded I was letting them in again and they were going to straighten me out until I was brainwashed again, oblivious to the lies and the abuse.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2005, 11:55:00 PM »
A mind that remains open, or in other words fearless cannot be brainwashed.  Brainwash is an (implanted)prejudice.  An open mind knows no prejudice.  Authority exploits the fearful.    Fear is the disease, prejudice and brainwash, the symptom.  [ This Message was edited by: strarry-eyed pirate on 2005-08-20 21:35 ]
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