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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2005, 06:50:00 PM »
On strugglingteens you can post in the Program Questions section and get private responses.  These responses are a lot more valid than those on this forum.  And, no, they are NOT all pro-program.  I have offered a lot of criticisms of various programs when posts have been made in that section.
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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2005, 06:56:00 PM »
Yes you can post and can get private responses in a way that is not all inclusive wouldn't you say?  To have the information out there and up front is the best thing.  I know of Ed Consultants who refer to programs that have loads of lawsuits against them due to abuses, that have operated and shut down in states and opened up in other states under other names, that are not licensed, that administer medication, restraint, education, and more and still won't license - shall I go on?

I actually like Lon - I do not appreciate though the censored or controlled board  - but that is their business as it is their board.  I am starting a forum where parents can tell the truth - where program names can be mentioned (with a disclaimer from my organization) and where parents can find out that their are reputable programs who allow their children to speak to them and see them, that their are other alternatives than sending a child away, and that providers should be licensed and meet standards.
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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2005, 08:13:00 PM »
sorry, nothing honest here!  Just soap opera smut!
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« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
You just keep on telling yourself that.

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« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2005, 10:29:00 PM »
PERR: could you list, SAY THREE (3) of these REPUTABLE PROGRAMS that you know about? Just three that I could check out?  That would be very nice of you to share that information with everyone.
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« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2005, 11:38:00 PM »
Carlbrook, Oakley, Montana Academy, Second Nature, SUWS, Swift River- all reputable.
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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2005, 01:37:00 AM »
None of the schools you listed are reputable at all in my opinion.  ASW is not licensed in MA for one.

Three huh?  Well none of them are perfect but reputable...Does a good job, includes families, doesn't cut kids off from parents, are not locked most Residential Schools in MA are all of the above the ones that are licensed but here are three!
1.  Eagleton
2.  Walker Home and School
3.  Germaine Lawrence
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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2005, 07:50:00 AM »
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"Carlbrook, Oakley, Montana Academy, Second Nature, SUWS, Swift River- all reputable."

You're joking, right?
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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2005, 08:39:00 AM »
http://www.gacpd.com/
SUWS

A mother in Georgia contacted
GACPD to find out if a wilderness
camp, SUWs of the Carolinas,
located in the Nantahala Forest in
the mountains of North Carolina,
was a licensed mental health
facility. Her son had been sent to
the camp by his guardian for about
$10,000 for a couple of weeks (the
mother was not the guardian). A
thorough investigation found that
the ?wilderness camp,? advertised
as providing mental health
treatment, was not licensed. In
fact, the state?s Division of Facility
Services (DFS), which issues
mental health licenses, had never
heard of the camp. A DFS staff and
the GACPD western regional
DANET advocate visited the camp
and found minimal
accommodations. The children
were given little food and did not
have adequate sleeping quarters or
adequate hygiene supplies. DFS demanded
that the camp management bring the facility up
to licensing standards or leave the state.
When the camp did not respond, DFS issued a
letter demanding closure. The camp
responded immediately to proceed with
meeting the licensing requirements. Both DFS
and GACPD are continuing to monitor this
facility.


old.valleyadvocate.com/
ASW
It cited the school for "using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial of sufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."
OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy in communications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example, if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his or her family -- and then only temporarily.
The citation struck at another bone of contention between the state and ASR. A few months ago OCCS found itself at odds with ASR over whether the school needs to be licensed in Massachusetts as a treatment center, something College Health Enterprises had not done. ASR officials seemed to be having it both ways by enforcing rules usually associated withtreatment programs for people with emotional or behavioral disorders, but refusing to have the school licensed as a treatment center, which would give OCCS the right to oversee its operations. The disagreement is still unresolved, and has turned into a battle between lawyers for the state and the school.


I don't have time today to provide all the documentation necessary, but here's a head start anyway.

These programs have been proven unlicensed/unaccredited/abusive.  There's tons of literature to back up that claim.

Anon, you need to do some fact-checking before you advise parents about "reputable" facilities.  That is, unless you're just after the referral fee...

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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2005, 10:23:00 AM »
Dysfunction maybe you better do your homework, if I did not know where the or rather from whom the comment was coming  I would have been offended but I take it from where it comes.  I would never take a referral fee, nor do I refer to programs so if you did your homework you would have known that now wouldn't you have?

I am interested though in the ASR article and how old it is.  ASR is not licensed and stands by it's claim although I disagree.
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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2005, 11:01:00 AM »
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On 2005-08-14 07:23:00, PFRR wrote:

"Dysfunction maybe you better do your homework, if I did not know where the or rather from whom the comment was coming  I would have been offended but I take it from where it comes.  I would never take a referral fee, nor do I refer to programs so if you did your homework you would have known that now wouldn't you have?



I am interested though in the ASR article and how old it is.  ASR is not licensed and stands by it's claim although I disagree.  

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Andrea, I'm beginning to think you might be slightly retarded.  Do you even read anything?

Where did I mention you or the programs you listed?  Clearly my response was to the poster WHO WAS QUOTED IN MY POST, not you.

Why do you seem to think everything written is about or in reference to you?  Where did I quote you?  When did I refer to you?  When did I address either you or any comments you have made?

And I need to do MY "homework."  

Get involved with REALITY, lady.  Get out of your own head and into what's ACTUALLY POSTED, not your "version" of it.  

Are you stupid or just careless?  Either way, you're tedious.
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« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2005, 11:01:00 AM »
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On 2005-08-14 07:23:00, PFRR wrote:

"Dysfunction maybe you better do your homework, if I did not know where the or rather from whom the comment was coming  I would have been offended but I take it from where it comes.  I would never take a referral fee, nor do I refer to programs so if you did your homework you would have known that now wouldn't you have?



I am interested though in the ASR article and how old it is.  ASR is not licensed and stands by it's claim although I disagree.  

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Andrea, I'm beginning to think you might be slightly retarded.  Do you even read anything?

Where did I mention you or the programs you listed?  Clearly my response was to the poster WHO WAS QUOTED IN MY POST, not you.

Why do you seem to think everything written is about or in reference to you?  Where did I quote you?  When did I refer to you?  When did I address either you or any comments you have made?

And I need to do MY "homework."  

Get involved with REALITY, lady.  Get out of your own head and into what's ACTUALLY POSTED, not your "version" of it.  

Are you stupid or just careless?  Either way, you're tedious.
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« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »
Dysfunction- YOU are probably the main reason there is no consistent dialogue on this forum. How old was that article you quoted?  There are many families who have had excellent experiences with SUWS.
You are arrogant and a snotty brat. YOU are the one who is tedious.
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« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2005, 11:31:00 AM »
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"Dysfunction- YOU are probably the main reason there is no consistent dialogue on this forum. How old was that article you quoted?  There are many families who have had excellent experiences with SUWS.

You are arrogant and a snotty brat. YOU are the one who is tedious. "
So don't read what I write. If you don't like it, lump it. If I'm so tedious, why are you one of my most loyal readers? Just can't get enough can you?

Always have to have the last word, don't you? Isn't that the type of behavior that you used to rationalize sending your kid away?

I'm a "brat," now am I?  

I know far more about these programs than you probably ever will.

Regardless of the age of the "article," (actually a report issued by North Carolina Governor's Advocacy Council for Persons with Disabilities - I guess you're now going to say that the report is bogus?), the point is that SUWS was (or is) operating an unlicensed, unaccredited program.

They resisted regulation vehemently until they were issued an order by their state government to cease and desist business operations. Now THAT'S a reputable provider.

I appear arrogant to you because you are ignorant. In your ignorance, you rail against facts that destroy your credibility.

"Blessed are the ignorant."

Carry on living in your little bubble, dimwit.

Don't be mad at me because you couldn't handle being a parent and had to give up all your little material goodies so you could afford to send your kid off to an unlicensed, unaccredited, confimedly abusive program.

I think it's peotic justice that "your program" left you broke and bitter. I get a kick out of that.

You're just like any other victim of a scam artist - too embarrassed to admit you were had, that you're a sucker. You got taken for a $50,000 babysitter. Face facts. Own up. Move on.

By the way, I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale. After you pay me for it, you can jump off...[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-08-14 08:32 ]
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« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2005, 11:50:00 AM »
Dysfunction is not a parent Anonymous, he is a former employee of at least two other TBS's who either had a bad experience working at those places or doesn't like the industry anymore, or cannot work for facilities anymore due to his criminal record. His experience with facilities would be from an employee's perspective. He also has a history of getting quite ugly and condescending with his language towards others who choose to disagree with him or who criticize his point of view. So don't take it personally, it's just his Modus Operandi.
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