Concern for a "student"

[Troll Control]

NCL, check your pm's...

[Antigen]

Yup, NCL makes a good point. It seems extremely unlikely to me that naming the program of which you speak would in any way compromise your privacy or reveal your identity. I'm assuming you're not the only family ever enroled in said program, correct? Ok then... so what could be the source of your great aprehension? Are you afraid you'll find out things about your favorite program that you'd rather not know? That seems most likely.

I am asking that people understand that parents do things sometimes out of desperation and it is not my role or the role of anyone elses to fault them for it, can't they be informed without being bashed?

Yes! Absolutely. A better question might be whether they can be informed w/o perceiving it as a personal attack. In my experience, usually not. Usually, they perceive it as a personal attack and then start casting disparriaging remarks in the direction of the perceived attacker.

It usually goes something like this

Program vet: "You're making a big mistake! Those people are lying to you about what they're doing to your kid. Don't believe them! Go get your kid asap!"

Program parent: "How dare you accuse me of abusing my child! You're such a meanie! I refuse to expose myself to this sort of abuse! Boo Hoo!"

(back at ST)
"I don't think it's safe for us to even LOOK at that forum! Those people are viscious! You should see what they said to me! No wait, don't look! It might be dangerous!"

Any excuse to avoid facing the facts. That's why the industry is such a mess.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer

[Deborah]

"It's umprogramerican to think critically."

Unprogramerican?
Should be added to the randon quotes.

[Deborah]

***I again post my name at the bottom of my posts and do it all the time so please don't confuse me with others.

Just curious Andrea, why you don't use the PFRR log in you registered? Sure would make finding posts easier.

[Anonymous]

We have tried to discuss specific programs before. Those on this board will not consider ANY positive things about programs.  ALL wilderness programs are abusive and the kids are starved and forced to hike for hourse.  ALL TBSs are isolating and brain wash the kids.  And-you can count on Dysfunctional Dysfunction to resort to insults and swearing when he decides he has heard enough.  If you look at ANY of the threads where parents (and kids) have been sucked into revealing the names of programs you will see the same hostility and inability to be reasonable.  And here you are again asking for a program name?  Don't think so.  This woman needs to post over on strugglingteens and ask for private messages regarding the program.  She will get honest and insightful responses from families who actually have experience with that particular program.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-08-13 11:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"We have tried to discuss specific programs before. Those on this board will not consider ANY positive things about programs.  ALL wilderness programs are abusive and the kids are starved and forced to hike for hourse.  ALL TBSs are isolating and brain wash the kids.  And-you can count on Dysfunctional Dysfunction to resort to insults and swearing when he decides he has heard enough.  If you look at ANY of the threads where parents (and kids) have been sucked into revealing the names of programs you will see the same hostility and inability to be reasonable.  And here you are again asking for a program name?  Don't think so.  This woman needs to post over on strugglingteens and ask for private messages regarding the program.  She will get honest and insightful responses from families who actually have experience with that particular program."

Let me validate you real quick:  Fuck you.   :wave:

Oh, by the way, shut the fuck up, too.

[Nonconformistlaw]

truth searcher, I am not directing anything in this post towards you, but you may find it interesting nonetheless---

Anonymous said--- "Deborah is psycho."---- If you will notice this was an unprovoked Troll attack on Deborah---

BTW Deborah, for what its worth, you are clearly an enlightened person...I for one, unlike certian trolls, recognize the validity of your points.

My point is, once again a troll has launched an unprovoked attack on page 3 of this thread.

This is precisely why things got ugly very fast. People started fighting back for good reason and I think it also got a little confusing who said what....

So anonymous, I think to sit there and accuse DJ or anyone else for that matter, of resorting to insults etc., is hypocritical when YOU and other trolls routinely sling insults without provocation, then twist it around and make it look like you are the victim of insults.

And, if you noticed anonymous, I clearly said in the thread you are refering to, that if you had good program information to share, I would be all ears despite my skepticism. You apparantly chose to ignore my willingness to discuss your experience. Which makes it crystal clear that you are not remotely interested in any views other than your own. [ This Message was edited by:  on 2005-08-13 12:25 ]

[Deborah]

Are you implying that other's "insults, swearing, hostility, and inability to be reasonable" are a literal impediment to your ability to post your opinions/experience?  

Or is this more a personal limitation. You'd prefer to discuss the industry with those who, by order of the site moderator, will not say anything critical or emotional... unless of course, it is about those damned 'odd struggling teens'

Ya know buddy, you have the option of scrolling on past those 'offensive' posts. No one forcing you to read anything that insults your sensibilities.

FYI, refusing to interact with someone unless s/he presents information and opinion in the way you consider palatable is a form of manipulation, and most often prejudice and unresolved personal issues.


 
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2005-08-13 13:06 ]

[Anonymous]

Deborah, go take another Prozac and relax.

[Deborah]

:silly: Another trolling ad hominem attacker with nothing useful to contribute.

[Antigen]

On 2005-08-13 11:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

This woman needs to post over on strugglingteens and ask for private messages regarding the program. She will get honest and insightful responses from families who actually have experience with that particular program.

Really? When did Lon change the policy? Did he finally do away with the little whistle blower icon?

Here's the real deal. If you post here, you get all kinds of different viewpoints. If you post at ST, you get one brand of opinion publicly and, privately, the kind that REALLY can't stand public scrutiny.

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

[Anonymous]

Deborah I can't remember my password I tried for a few and remembered it but then forgot it.   Life has too many passwords for me I will make another attempt.  

Also on ST they do not let you post publically about the programs or mention names of programs so how can anyone find out the truth?  
Andrea

[PFRR]

Only took a minute...
`a

[Antigen]

Hey, I can always reset a password if I can be very sure the request is coming from the real owner.

There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
http://www.tatteredcover.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=showproduct&affiliateId=000095&isbn=0753816571' target='_new'>Alfred Lord Tennyson

[Anonymous]

Kewl thanks but I know the password now, today anyway!  I have passwords for work, home, bank, Credit Cards, Forums, Puters, etc. sometimes it is just easier to not use it also but I will be mindful that it helpful in folks knowing who is really posting.
Andrea