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« Reply #180 on: January 05, 2005, 07:17:00 PM »
Have you guys ever wanted to beat the shit out of someone, but they're hiding behind a computer?  And every single thing they type is so fucking stupid and pseudo-creepy that you just want to poke your eye out?  And they say shit like that you spend your entire life on a website, but they are the ones here more than anyone!!  This is how I feel about thankyou_for_the_venom.  I think this user may drive me to start drinking earlier in the day.

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"Ok where shall we start then? I'm sure you can provide me with plenty to talk about..I mean there is much more to talk about other than pants. How's life treating you? Have you gotten over your Victory memories or are you going to let them control your entire life and hang out on website?  :smile:
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« Reply #181 on: January 05, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
Psssst! Over here!
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=7&10

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... miamithem' target='_new'>H. G. Wells

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« Reply #182 on: January 05, 2005, 11:30:00 PM »
Im glad I could be of help to you admitting you're a drunk  :smile: Bottoms up baby!! Don't choke and always remember, You're an idiot :razz:
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« Reply #183 on: January 06, 2005, 03:01:00 PM »
"Have you guys ever wanted to beat the shit out of someone, but they're hiding behind a computer?"

yeah I have, she's just a pussy.

A palmer worshipping patsy, I just count her as one of his little minion.
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« Reply #184 on: January 06, 2005, 03:26:00 PM »
I don't drink as much as Jesus did, but yes, I like to have a little fun.  Not the VCA-brand of "fun" like watching movies that my 5-year-old wouldn't even be interested in.  I mean like regular fun where people have a few drinks and socialize, you know, "idle talk".  It's crazy for sure, God would totally not want people he created to have fun!
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« Reply #185 on: January 07, 2005, 03:49:00 PM »
Hi Nico, I went to VCA from 93-95 and I think you visited a few times. I remember your wife,a really pretty lady. I used to wonder if the Palmers' daughters wore pants when they weren't around the school. I guess if you're in a ROCK BAND that pretty much answers my question. :smokin:

I'm curious why you're on this site? Just to reminisce? Do you think that your father-in-law is right and correct in operating a treatment center/school without any oversight by state authorities?

My experience with VCA was rather typical, I was sent from CA to FL on a pretense of a "business trip". Fortunately I escaped substantial physical abuse although I was hit over the head with a large heavy KJV Bible as a new girl. But I do believe the girls who have come forward with their allegations. Do you?

I can't sue, it's been too long. But I hate to think that girls are still being sent there, to be watched by the Cookstons (freaks who got pregnant and married when they were 12 and 13 years of age!), and I hate knowing that due to the wonderful system of one girl always ruining "it" for everyone, the girls who go there now have about 10 years worth of new rules after I left. I can only imagine how crazy it is NOW. The rules multiplied every Sunday night when I was there, I doubt that's changed.

My relationship with God and my parents suffered the most from the effects of VCA. It has taken me a good seven years to forgive my parents. After the Mexico school was closed down I finally rehashed everything with my mom. My dad had previously apologized, but my mom couldn't own up to the fact that the $$$ the school cost was wasted. We talked for hours and she finally admitted that there were things she witnessed on visits that seemed wrong.

So, at least one good thing has happened due to this site. I tend to bury my feelings and it really hurts to bring the pain and separation anxieties back to the surface but I know that I will be healthier for it.
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« Reply #186 on: January 07, 2005, 03:53:00 PM »
I know this was for nico, but I like to put in my two cents whenever I can.

Your post was very well spoken whoever you are.
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« Reply #187 on: January 07, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »
Hi, I'm on the other yahoo site also.

I'm the chick with the bunnies, cats and chickens.

Oh, I am also posting my statement where ever I can, so here's more to read:

Victory christian academy

In jay, florida

 

 

SURVIVOR STATEMENT

BY K. of California (contact through heal@heal-online.org)

 

Following please find my statement concerning Victory Christian Academy:


Everything I am submitting to HEAL is true to the best of my experience and knowledge. I give permission to HEAL to use this statement.


My parents sent me to Victory Christian Academy in Jay, FL in the summer of 1993. Although I was told it was a one-year program, there were many girls who were there much longer. We were threatened with being there until we turned 18 if we didn?t turn into good little christian girls. I was not allowed to have any privileges as a new girl in the school until I made a profession of faith ("got Saved") and I was kept on buddy (level) for over a month until I broke down and went along with it. My personal memories of the school are terrible. There were so many rules, all unwritten, that we just had to know and follow. As new girls we had 2 weeks to learn them before we were accountable to follow them. The program is set up in a way that makes most girls try to catch other girls breaking rules or exhibiting behavior that could result in a new rule being made. We had Rap sessions every Sunday night where girls would have a free-for-all with the staff leading the charge. New rules were being made all the time. I believe that Victory is probably much worse today than when I was there 10 years ago because the program rules are always growing. For instance, when I was a new girl, if you said "Oops" during Quiet Time you would get a demerit and have 24 hours to write 100 lines, something like "I will not talk during Quiet Time." When I left VCA in 1995 the rule had become 1000 lines for breaking Quiet Time.  We were not allowed access to news, music, radio, tv. We were not allowed to talk about anything but our parents, no discussion of favorite movies, singers, nothing. We were not allowed to talk about the past. There were no counselors or therapists, only the regular (unqualified) staff. We couldn't even sing, for instance an Elvis song or anything other than the hymns in our hymnbook and a few other songs by Christian artists.  There are too many other instances to record for the sake of brevity.

 

After reading Warning Signs of a Potentially Abusive Behavioral Treatment Center as provided by ISAC, I will list what I observed first-hand at VCA.


1. Verbal and/or written communication between the client and family members is prohibited, restricted or monitored. All my mail was read, incoming and outgoing. Only mail from parents is allowed. Letters I sent home at the beginning had had my complaints blacked out before VCA mailed them.


3. The program requests/demands legal custody of juvenile clients. Lock-down facility. No exceptions.


4. The program houses clients in foster homes or host homes instead of allowing them to reside with their parents. Dorms, sometimes supervised by staff, but usually just older clients.


5. The client or parents are forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality." We were told it was idle talk and we were punished by writing lines if we were caught saying anything.


6. The client is denied access to a telephone. No access at all for first three months. After 3 months, phone calls are once per month for 30 minutes maximum and parents are required to call in. I had no way to make a telephone call.


8. The program uses confrontational therapy.

 
9. The staff includes former clients of the program.


10. Clients are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.


12. Parents are not allowed to stay with their child during the entire intake/entry process.


13. The program inflicts physical punishments on clients such as exercising, running, food restrictions, and cleaning.


14. Reading materials are prohibited or restricted. I was only allowed the King James Bible for much of the time.


15. The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building stating the name of the program

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17. The program is run and staffed by persons who lack adequate experience or credentials.


19. A medical doctor (MD) is not present at any time during normal operating hours.


20. Clients of the program conduct, participate in and supervise the intake/entry process.


22. Clients are observed on any level of the program, while bathing, dressing or using the toilet.


23. The purpose of the program is to treat drug abuse, but the program does not conduct a drug screen prior to entry.


24. The program requires clients to be strip-searched.


25. The program does not allow clients to follow their religion of choice. The only form of religion allowed is Victory?s unaffiliated Southern Baptist-based church. They also forced vegetarians to eat meat. Even girls whose parents were Seventh-Day Adventist and had never eaten meat.


26. Staff members must approve friends, siblings, family visits, or employment. No contact whatsoever  with friends. No employment is allowed. Family visits are only allowed once every three months, girls are not allowed off-campus on a visit unless they?ve been there for at least six months, they are not supposed to return home for visits until they?ve been at VCA for at least one year.


27. Juvenile clients are not afforded an education in accordance with state requirements.  VCA was not accredited by any institution or government while I was there. Our curriculum was workbook/quiz based with no lab time or supplemental materials.


30. Clients escort/supervise other clients.


32. Clients have to "earn" the right to speak during group sessions

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33. Clients are denied outside activities on any level/phase.


34. Staff must approve the withdrawal of clients from treatment.


35. The program expects total and unquestioned support of parents.


36. Clients on any phase/level are forbidden to speak to other clients. We are also forbidden to keep in contact with one another after we leave the program. When a girl leaves, staff members and senior clients go through her belongings to check for addresses, phone numbers, etc. before she can leave.



While I was at Victory, a new girl from Texas who was almost 18 had concealed a lighter from the girls who checked her in. Less than two weeks later she decided to torch a closet full of dresses in dorm 3. Fortunately for us, this was around 10:30 AM when we were all outside doing PE exercises so no one was hurt. We thought the smoke alarms were a fire drill at first. I consider myself lucky because I had no way to be able to call 911 & if the fire had happened in the middle of the night, who knows? The fire raged and burned so hot that almost everything was destroyed in Dorm 3, and Dorms 1 & 2 had extensive smoke and water damage that took months to repair. We slept on the floor in the Multi purpose room that also served as our church, our chapel, our school, and our cafeteria. Brother Palmer continued to take in new girls during this time. We were smashed together like sardines for months, meanwhile our parents were sending money for our treatment that just went towards the building of another larger-capacity dorm that had already been in construction before the fire broke out. This was actually the first of two fires at the school while I was there. The circumstances for the second fire were never fully explained.


Victory Christian Academy is not a healthy place for teen girls to be in. If your daughter or someone you know is in Victory Christian Academy, please seriously consider taking them out and looking into a REAL treatment facility. You know, the kind with doctors and trained therapists who can help girls understand why their behavior needs to be modified and give them the necessary support to do so.


I have listed 27 out of 36 Warning Signs that I know from my own personal experience to be true. It is very possible that other survivors have witnessed other Warning Signs and I encourage them to spread the word about the potential for abuse at Victory Christian Academy.
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« Reply #188 on: January 07, 2005, 05:08:00 PM »
It makes me so sad to read this.  It's almost a carbon copy of what some of us went through 20 and even 30 years back.  Times have got to change.  This is insane.
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« Reply #189 on: January 07, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
hey k,

very well spoken, kudos :smile:
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« Reply #190 on: January 07, 2005, 08:23:00 PM »
Hi K!! :wave:

Good job!
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« Reply #191 on: January 31, 2005, 12:33:00 AM »
The end is coming for palmer.
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« Reply #192 on: January 31, 2005, 03:55:00 AM »
As you may know, RNN NEWS is producing a series of newscasts about VCA and former students.  I'll be inviting the Palmers and others to our Pensacola studios to talk about VCA.  I'll also be calling them to request a tour of the school that I may video for inclusion in the series.

    We are also including recorded statements of former students and would be interested in hearing from you about your VCA experiences.  

    Most importantly I need more photos of VCA and/or any video that you may have and be willing to share.  Any visuals sent to this e-mail address (http://www.realitynews.net.

Regards,

David Craig
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« Reply #193 on: March 01, 2005, 01:42:00 PM »
Sorry I havent replied in so long.  Lets just say I have been very busy these last few months.

Someone asked why I even came here and I wanted to answer that.

When Amie and I worked there, we werent realy much older than the girls.  Niether of us were realy in an authority position, I worked outside with the girls somtimes, and Amie was just kinda thier friend.  We both just tried to have fun with the girls and be their friends.  

I have said this before and gotten teased, but I never saw anything bad happen.  Sure I saw some staff members be real rude to some of the girls, and I always felt bad, but there was not much I cold do about it (Ive always told Mr P that he should have had a school for wayword staff members instead)

So, when I herd about this site, I was kinda bummed.  I just came here, read a few things, and never responded.  I dont know if there are any girls here from when Amie and I were at the school.  Someone mentioned me in a thread so I figured I'd respond.  Thats prity much it.

I was sent to a Military school when I was in the 8th grade, and was treated horribly by staff and students, so I can empithize with some of your feelings.

I realy hope that whatever happened there, you girls can find peace.  Gods not the bad guy, but people are.

Talk to you later-Nico
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« Reply #194 on: March 01, 2005, 03:04:00 PM »
Thank you Nico for your insightful and honest answer.
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