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[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha You are a follower of Kant!!  Now your posts make a little more sense to me.   That brings back wonderful memories for me.  I had a friend who was an avid reader and lifetime student of philosophy and loved Kant .  Our mutual friend would always enter the room and antagonize him by telling us all an event that occurred that day like he is feeling good today because he gave a blind man on the corner $5.00 and this would infuriate our philosophical friend that he did it for self gratification and not because it was the right thing to do and the argument would last for hours under the fog of several bottles of wine.

Thank you for that!!  Pg54.

[Lacey]

i do have kids. five of them, and they all turned out just fine. how did i manage that? i do not allow myself to project an image of an ideal child and then force my child into that mold. I let them develop on their own only with my support, encouragement, and wisdom. I put their well-being above all else. I have never in any way allowed myself to become a vilified figure to my children. The one common thing I found among kids at HLA is that every single one of them has vilified at least one parent-figure. This was a bit of a shock to me, and my kids were likewise shocked to hear about it. The concept of parental vilification is completely outside their comprehension. I live scrupulously while providing a comfortable lifestyle and secure future for my family. That does not mean a 9-5 job for my wife an i, HDTV's, five cars, and a mcmansion. it means a self sufficient family farm, total financial independence, strong family bonds, and a good education. Both my wife an I work at home, and my kids have helped out ever since each of of them was old enough to perform any given task. While my kids attended public school, i supplemented them with 10 extra hours a week of home schooling in subjects they missed in high school (and college too!): philosophy, ethics, psychology, law (constitutional law in particular), history and geography of nations other than the U.S, and more traditional subjects such as carpentry, various subjects applicable to living off the land, advanced social skills, marksmanship, archery, martial arts, among many other things. My kids did not grow up in your suburban, consumerist, fetishistic society. They did not spend their days roaming the mall outfitting themselves in the latest hot-topic gear in order to set themselves apart as much as possible from the abercrombie crowd, or vice versa. They rarely skipped school because with the supplementary homeschooling, school was fun for them, and on the rare occasion that they did skip school i didnt care much because they were already ahead of their classmates. They never wandered the streets with nothing good to do, they always had plenty of work to do around the farm and plenty of safe places for recreation. they never went on "blunt rides" as kids do nowandays, because they were given a safe place to participate in that activity on my property.  They did listen to the same music, play video games, and wear similar clothing, they still deal with the same social drama, but they dont think anything of it: they did not put it on such a high pedestal in their life as to allow those things to shape their identities. They have a clear sense of themselves and their purpose in life. To them, behaving in a way similar to the children at HLA is unthinkable; yet I also allowed them to misbehave in a controlled manner. I've allowed them since they each turned 13 to smoke pot, drink, stay out late and have all the sex they want, as long as they would do so in a responsible, adult manner. My three oldest 'experimented' a little once in a while but it never turned into something their lives centered around. my two younger children (both in their 20's now) were simply never interested in any of that (other than the opposite sex) because it was a fact of life around the house since they were babies, they had more interesting, and healthy "rebellious" things to do.

I'm calling bullshit on this. I was in PG 54. there was Darlene, Denny, and Chrissy. Darlene had a breakdown and quit after finding Amy Klemm hanging dead (for the most part) in her closet. Denny still works there but last I heard he was just the athletics coordinater or something. Denny was a good person. Not good enough to quit HLA or expose anything real that was going on there, but good enough to stand up to my parents for me and sympathize with my situation. He had a particularly good view on the manipulation on both sides of my parents horrific divorce case and understood how hard it hit me. Especially the abandonment issues stemming from my fathers complete and total lack of care for me. And then there was Chrissy. Chrissy was the only person that would fit this bill of being someone who "sat in" on our reals. She was MAYBE 25, and said she had no kids. She was also conservative and soft spoken, not anything like the person painted here. So, pg45counselor, I don't know who you are, but you're certainly not anyone I know, and being in PG 54, with all that you're touting is true, I have to make a sincere bullshit call.

You're welcome to make a login and PM me, and I will totally retract this if I've forgotten someone, but in 2 years, I never met anyone who sounds like they'd be you.

[Anonymous]

i'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. I'm also sorry that i cannot message you or reveal my real identity to anyone. i signed a nondisclosure agreement and technically it's illegal for me to even be posting anything on this site. although considering this, my posts may have seemed reckless, i do choose what i reveal and dont reveal carefully. For that exact reason you do not know who i am....I never told anyone at HLA anything about my private life and therefore most of the facts mentioned before cannot be traced back to my true identity. I know who you are, K.R, because one of your friends, an ex-student, who i know through family, revealed to me the identity of a number of people who post here.  

I was a little "higher up" than denny or darlene. I only sat in your reals twice, and only for around half an hour each time. If you can remember, HLA brought in "specialists" or "prospective counselors" or "prospective employees" into reals? well i was one of those. I wasnt around the kids very often, but i did know them quite well, including you, but only through files. I spent countless hours sitting in one of the back offices of the counselor building reading through student files, reviewing various incident reports, dorm tapes, phone calls, and whatnot. They hired me as a counselor but when they couldn't get me a peer group they put my expertise into use to clean the place up, ethically that is, but when i held the staff accountable i was admonished.  

that marks the end of my time posting at fornits. Moving on now.....nothing against you guys, but i have better things to do and i dont feel like getting a call from quirk&quack.

[Anonymous]

Ha,Ha,Ha You are a follower of Kant!!  Now your posts make a little more sense to me.   That brings back wonderful memories for me.  I had a friend who was an avid reader and lifetime student of philosophy and loved Kant .  Our mutual friend would always enter the room and antagonize him by telling us all an event that occurred that day like he is feeling good today because he gave a blind man on the corner $5.00 and this would infuriate our philosophical friend that he did it for self gratification and not because it was the right thing to do and the argument would last for hours under the fog of several bottles of wine.

Thank you for that!!  Pg54.

what a classic whooter post. trying to turn the discussion into nostalgic small talk whilst being subliminally subversive. my how tactful you are whootie. go blow a fish. haha, see, i did it too! without ever resorting to pretending to be smart! hooo hoo haahhaaa.

[lacey'smom]

pg54-in time, if u were on "staff" during pg54-all will come out, as I kept EVERY shred of docs from intake to out take, from all the flaming money grubbing "health-care" providers, that systematically raped this family and I am turning them all over to Lacey and she would figure out who you are(were you the one who forbid me to call my own child, as you determined, I was inappropriate??)...every stinking piece of paper - since you know her last name, some day, to amuse yourself - log on to the 30 years+ of legal docs -using her last name, in the County and State she was from, since you know so much and avail  yourself of multi-state government/healthcare manipulation of a family that included Judges, Both Adolescent and Adult Law Firms, Pysychiatric Hospitals, TBS, Wilderness Programs, Public School Systems, Private Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Theurapists and on and on...I don't care your personal or professional experience, you had NO idea what our family dealt with and my only ability to protect my daughter from garbage kids should never know about an absent parent, was to legally take the path I took.With all the postings here and I do care that those of you with the experitse and will contribute to change the available solutions for parents like myself, as you weild the power of your pen, try to remember, some of us coming to this horrible choice, had already sufferred the loss of a previous child to exactly the same set of circumstances.Lacey had a brother, who did not get put in any kind of treatment.  He had very similar challenges and I read with humor the alternatives to treatment given here and can tell you, I TRIED THAT WITH HIM!  It didn't work. As his chosen "Mother", I had the "honor?" of letting that first handful of dirt fall from my hand onto his coffin, dead at 14 years old!!.Lacey has siblings that did not take the same path and you might, as pg54 referred to her offspring, call them "successful".  Same parents, same environment, who can tell why some kids go one way and others, another? You want to help the next parent sitting suicide watch on their kid tonight? not knowing if they will kill themselves or you, then stop all the infighting and join forces and truly go out with one voice and demand that the "powers that be" listen to you,  I do not think you have the answers, but YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS....

[Anonymous]

i'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. I'm also sorry that i cannot message you or reveal my real identity to anyone. i signed a nondisclosure agreement and technically it's illegal for me to even be posting anything on this site. although considering this, my posts may have seemed reckless, i do choose what i reveal and dont reveal carefully. For that exact reason you do not know who i am....I never told anyone at HLA anything about my private life and therefore most of the facts mentioned before cannot be traced back to my true identity. I know who you are, K.R, because one of your friends, an ex-student, who i know through family, revealed to me the identity of a number of people who post here.  

I was a little "higher up" than denny or darlene. I only sat in your reals twice, and only for around half an hour each time. If you can remember, HLA brought in "specialists" or "prospective counselors" or "prospective employees" into reals? well i was one of those. I wasnt around the kids very often, but i did know them quite well, including you, but only through files. I spent countless hours sitting in one of the back offices of the counselor building reading through student files, reviewing various incident reports, dorm tapes, phone calls, and whatnot. They hired me as a counselor but when they couldn't get me a peer group they put my expertise into use to clean the place up, ethically that is, but when i held the staff accountable i was admonished.  

that marks the end of my time posting at fornits. Moving on now.....nothing against you guys, but i have better things to do and i dont feel like getting a call from quirk&quack.

Ah, but "Quirk and Quirk" have been gone for two years...  It is Thornton Morris now.

[Anonymous]

pg54-in time, if u were on "staff" during pg54-all will come out, as I kept EVERY shred of docs from intake to out take, from all the flaming money grubbing "health-care" providers, that systematically raped this family and I am turning them all over to Lacey and she would figure out who you are(were you the one who forbid me to call my own child, as you determined, I was inappropriate??)...every stinking piece of paper ....

sorry i said i'm gone but i just have to say something.....
first of all....i can tell your drunk, and upset. i'm sorry for upsetting you. your post is somewhat difficult to decipher, it's fairly incoherent.

I was actually against the practice of restricting phone calls, period. i took this issue, your case specifically was one of many that i mentioned, directly to Len my first week there and nearly got fired after a heated debate that involved quite a bit of yelling...from me. Yes, i YELLED at LEN BUCCELATO my first week working at HLA. I was one of the few people who worked there that stood up to all the harmful and unethical practices, and i quit because my grievances were constantly swept under the carpet and ignored.
As for blaming you for your daughter's troubled mind...are you seriously going to tell me with absolute honesty (and look me straight in the eye, if you could) and deny any and all responsibility for how your kids turned out? i know it's horrible going through what you went through, and i feel sorry for you, and there were most definitely factors outside of your control, but that doesn't change the fact that you are responsible in some way, as was her father (even more so....maybe). I know it's hard to hear that, but you have to hear it.

please, before dumping your troubles on other people make a thorough self-examination. what sets you apart from a "normal" "functional" family? what choices did you make in your past that led you to this juncture? what led you to the divorce, everything?

dont take this personally or get more upset about it. I know it's hard to hear but i only have good intentions. I really dont feel like tracking down lacey's phone # now and getting her to suicide watch YOU.

and good luck to lacey figuring out who i am. my name was never on any correspondence, i was paid off the books (as were many other employees), all of my notes burned down with the academic building, and on a recent occasion that i called len to check on the status of the school, he didnt even remember who i was. he thought i was a student.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for this.  "i was paid off the books (as were many other employees), " This will be attached to package that has already gone to the IRS...  Is your IP address blocked from Ginger?  Do hope you a woofing.

[Inculcated]

Alright 54, you’ve crossed the line from simply self-righteous to showing yourself to be an out and out sanctimonious bitch.

Thanks for illustrating credentials and compassion are not necessarily found by all who pursue positions in the “helping professions”, and that many (like you) are simply judgmental hypocrites.

You promised you were leaving and I for one would be pleased if you fulfilled it.

Oh, and I do hope if you are who you've said you are (beyond what you've shown yourself to be), that Lacey will let us know.

[Anonymous]

pg54-in time, if u were on "staff" during pg54-all will come out, as I kept EVERY shred of docs from intake to out take, from all the flaming money grubbing "health-care" providers, that systematically raped this family and I am turning them all over to Lacey and she would figure out who you are(were you the one who forbid me to call my own child, as you determined, I was inappropriate??)...every stinking piece of paper - since you know her last name, some day, to amuse yourself - log on to the 30 years+ of legal docs -using her last name, in the County and State she was from, since you know so much and avail  yourself of multi-state government/healthcare manipulation of a family that included Judges, Both Adolescent and Adult Law Firms, Pysychiatric Hospitals, TBS, Wilderness Programs, Public School Systems, Private Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Theurapists and on and on...I don't care your personal or professional experience, you had NO idea what our family dealt with and my only ability to protect my daughter from garbage kids should never know about an absent parent, was to legally take the path I took.With all the postings here and I do care that those of you with the experitse and will contribute to change the available solutions for parents like myself, as you weild the power of your pen, try to remember, some of us coming to this horrible choice, had already sufferred the loss of a previous child to exactly the same set of circumstances.Lacey had a brother, who did not get put in any kind of treatment.  He had very similar challenges and I read with humor the alternatives to treatment given here and can tell you, I TRIED THAT WITH HIM!  It didn't work. As his chosen "Mother", I had the "honor?" of letting that first handful of dirt fall from my hand onto his coffin, dead at 14 years old!!.Lacey has siblings that did not take the same path and you might, as pg54 referred to her offspring, call them "successful".  Same parents, same environment, who can tell why some kids go one way and others, another? You want to help the next parent sitting suicide watch on their kid tonight? not knowing if they will kill themselves or you, then stop all the infighting and join forces and truly go out with one voice and demand that the "powers that be" listen to you,  I do not think you have the answers, but YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS....

Hidden Lake forbade you to call Lacey? Why not just rescue her from a "school" that places that sort of abusive controls on its detainees? pg54, seems to have you pegged, if you didn't and Lacey was not court ordered.

[Inculcated]

I'm not a huge fan of defending parents who cede parenting to strangers, but these programs get a lot of mileage out of exploiting fears, and
to that end often pull no punches when it comes to controlling the parents in unethical ways.

In addition to that, a lot of what 54 asserted in her post crossed the line from discussion and devolved into an attempt to character assassinate.
It back fired.

[Anonymous]

Alright 54, you’ve crossed the line from simply self-righteous to showing yourself to be an out and out sanctimonious bitch.

Thanks for illustrating credentials and compassion are not necessarily found by all who pursue positions in the “helping professions”, and that many (like you) are simply judgmental hypocrites.

You promised you were leaving and I for one would be pleased if you fulfilled it.

Oh, and I do hope if you are who you've said you are (beyond what you've shown yourself to be), that Lacey will let us know.

As P54s never forced his offspring into a gulag, nor do a bad job raising them, really, he can't be called a ‘hypocrite.’ I’m in agreement with him that 'program parents' in general (which this woman seems to be) are terrible human beings, the brunt of their terror landing on their kids. So, yeah, outside of the 'troubles' engendered through poverty, as a rule, teen 'troubles'  are caused by parents, assuming any 'troubles' really exist. Kids don’t raise themselves--for the most part program kids would have been better off if they had!

[Anonymous]

Thank you for this.  "i was paid off the books (as were many other employees), " This will be attached to package that has already gone to the IRS...  Is your IP address blocked from Ginger?  Do hope you a woofing.

You forniticators never fail to entertain me.

dont get your panties in a bunch just yet.

consider this:
- Anyone can post anything on this site. I may or may not be an ex-employee, I may or may not even have anything to do with the school. I may just be a troll who came upon this site on a boring monday afternoon. I may be a psychic, or a mentalist. I may be an investigator myself. I may have assumed the role of pg54counselor to prove a point. i may or may not be the same pg54counselor, pg54counselor may be a bunch of people! or I might be one sadistic bored little 13 year old. there is no way to tell.
- Anything posted on this site is considered hearsay in court.
- therefore, even if you found my true IP, what exactly are you going to do, supoena an anonymous random internet subscriber who may or may not exist, who may or may not just be fucking with you? for breaking what law?  

it's the hard truth of fornits.


face it foniticators, you are being fucked with. I'm a troll and you just got owned.

or am I? and did you?

[Anonymous]

pg54counselor

i'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. I'm also sorry that i cannot message you or reveal my real identity to anyone. i signed a nondisclosure agreement and technically it's illegal for me to even be posting anything on this site. although considering this, my posts may have seemed reckless, i do choose what i reveal and dont reveal carefully.
.

Non disclosure agreements are invalid except in application to intellectual property. Hidden Lake Academy's  non disclosure contract is a scare tactic intended to prevent you from informing the public, or contacting authorities about Hidden lake Academy’s abusive, unethical practices.

You’re too smart to fall for it! Do what’s right here. Contact Jill Ryan, or GAO personnel that investigated Hidden lake Academy.

[Anonymous]

This pg54 asshole is totally full of shit. Notice he/she knew when to cut and run... as soon as everyone started seeing through his/her haze of bullshit. I was there in 2003. There were no counselors hired as "supervisors". There were no fucking supervisors. Further, non-disclosure agreements don't last forever, asshole. The life of most of them is one year. The maximum is 5 years. And even further, counselors - especially those who were supposedly there for only a couple of months - had nothing to disclose. The only people who signed non-disclosure agreements were those who had something potentially damaging to disclose. No "counselor" ever made it that far. You're a total fucking phony, 54. Crawl back in your fucking hole and keep your dick sucker shut.