Wow, obama is going to win

[Anonymous]

If you really think they are a cult and dealer in human bodies and pretend the word student is foriegn you have a screw loose. If you havent noticed you are referenceing "youtube", secret prisons for teenagers", nospank as evidence for a fictional writting but demand long term clinical studies from others.[/quote}

Speaking of credibility, Kathy S, you don’t use “clinical studies” to prove abuse occurred.

Clinical studies are used to prove the safety and efficiency of therapies or drugs.

Pretty neat that no clinical studies are required that prove anything, before you and the family foundation school can start organizing the abduction, imprisonment and “treatment” of youth.

Why, you can shout “ooga booga” at a youth 3 times and report that as treatment and face no legal consequences for your fraudulent misrepresentation.

 You can even torture kids, call that treatment, and face no legal repercussions. And for doing that, you get paid 6,000 per month.

Neat deal.

Finally, a way you can make money despite obviously having only fourth grade level of inference and education.

[Anonymous]

KATHY. what is the name of your edcon service?

[Anonymous]

Kathy, are you implying you don't know that youth are forcibly removed from their homes in the middle of the night by "escort services" also known as kidnapped?

[Anonymous]

..... but again, not that this site is oriented towards parents... we have "ban this motherfucker" on the top of the screen and ads for Salvia Divinorum in the ad rotation).

Not sure what all that means.  Salvia Divinorum sounds like the name of a nice catholic highschool.

But here's an interesting question here: You say you want to help families and children and have been doing that ever since. What if you were to discover one day that at least one of the programs you referred to were abusive, and at least one of the kids you referred were abused. Might that make you reconsider your career?

I may, if I felt I was not doing a good job or the kids were not getting the help they need.  I would feel responsible if anything happened to the kids I am involved with.  There are so many ways to help families and kids,  I am not tied to this business.  I have ideas of moving on.  We (myself and a friend) have acquired some initial funding to purchase permanent housing for single mothers living in homeless shelters in Minneapolis.  If we get the funding, which looks very good, I could be moving there as early as this spring.  We are hoping to help single mothers re-emerge into the work force by providing housing, transportation, daycare and counselling free of charge.  Our business plan has been approved by the city!! yeah !!  But we will have to tap into federal funding along the way (at some point) to keep it afloat.  Private funding tends to dry up once people feel they have made a difference or done enough.  So we have our work cut out for us.  I would still like to maintain this business, but we will see what happens.
But back to your question, if kids were getting hurt I may just work that much harder to find places that are safe for them instead of quiting but its hard to say.  I could never stomach being responsible for a child being hurt, it meant I didnt do my research.

Not sure if I should respond to those other people.  They seem a little hostile in their questioning.

[psy]

..... but again, not that this site is oriented towards parents... we have "ban this motherfucker" on the top of the screen and ads for Salvia Divinorum in the ad rotation).

Not sure what all that means.  Salvia Divinorum sounds like the name of a nice catholic highschool.

LOL.  It is, actually.  You should start recommending it to parents!  :roflmao:  Though I have not personally gone to that particular school, some on this forum hold it in high regard.
 

We (myself and a friend) have acquired some initial funding to purchase permanent housing for single mothers living in homeless shelters in Minneapolis.  If we get the funding, which looks very good, I could be moving there as early as this spring.  We are hoping to help single mothers re-emerge into the work force by providing housing, transportation, daycare and counselling free of charge.  Our business plan has been approved by the city!! yeah !!  But we will have to tap into federal funding along the way (at some point) to keep it afloat.  Private funding tends to dry up once people feel they have made a difference or done enough.  So we have our work cut out for us.  I would still like to maintain this business, but we will see what happens.

Well.  That occupation sounds a whole lot more wholesome than your current one.  I wish you luck with that shelter idea.

But back to your question, if kids were getting hurt I may just work that much harder to find places that are safe for them instead of quiting but its hard to say.  I could never stomach being responsible for a child being hurt, it meant I didnt do my research.

But what if you did your research and the program still turned out to be bad (as has happened in the past.  Lon Woodbury (not that I trust his competence or objectivity at all) gave rave reviews to a lot of programs that are now defunct.  I now first hand how programs can put up chirades for visitors.  It's often hardly a measure of the quality of a school, but on how well they present themselves.  How long have you been an educational consultant?

Not sure if I should respond to those other people.  They seem a little hostile in their questioning.

You have no obligation to.  Personally, if people are hostile towards me I tend to ignore them (or address them calmly and see if the situation can be diffused).

[Anonymous]

..... but again, not that this site is oriented towards parents... we have "ban this motherfucker" on the top of the screen and ads for Salvia Divinorum in the ad rotation).

Not sure what all that means.  Salvia Divinorum sounds like the name of a nice catholic highschool.

LOL.  It is, actually.  You should start recommending it to parents!  :roflmao:  Though I have not personally gone to that particular school, some on this forum hold it in high regard.

I would just like to say that I went to this school and it was the most awesome inspiring life-changing time of my short life. If they had a program for young adult people I would definitely go back and do it all over again. I surely know that if it weren't for the caring and concern and the awesome inspiring life-changing help of all the counselors and teachers I am sure I would be dead insane or in jail. God bless all the wonderful people I have met as a result of the Immaculate Salvia Divinorum Academy. Thank you.

Galena

[FemanonFatal2.0]

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[Froderik]

If that doesn't put things in perspective for her, I don't know what will.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

If that doesn't put things in perspective for her, I don't know what will.

Sad thing is it probably wont.

[Anonymous]

But what if you did your research and the program still turned out to be bad (as has happened in the past. Lon Woodbury (not that I trust his competence or objectivity at all) gave rave reviews to a lot of programs that are now defunct. I now first hand how programs can put up chirades for visitors. It's often hardly a measure of the quality of a school, but on how well they present themselves. How long have you been an educational consultant?

If I felt I could not trust the industry as a whole I wouldn’t be doing this. If the kids were not getting any help or getting hurt I would stop and move on or fight to have changes made.

To Femanon Fatal:
Sorry you had to write that out again.  But from a parents perspective and ones that are not familiar with fornits your story is moving and believable without gulag, detainee, prison etc. used as descriptive words .

[Anonymous]

You might have missed where I said:

Now I am more familiar with the industry than most parents so I know that abuse has and does occur in some of these schools,..............

But a parent not familiar with the industry will not believe any of your stories.  Here, I have altered the testimony of Jon Martin to try and make the point:

After
being expelled from public school and one private school for marijuana and writing an
underground newspaper, my parents sent me to be detained as an inmate at The Gulag shortly thereafter. (Chairman Miller interrupts “Jon Martin… what place are you talking about?... “Oh it’s the Family center which is New York, it’s a private prison where kids are taken after they are kidnapped to be tortured….  Well okay Jon Martin continue ) Here, they
thought, after touring the prison and were satisfied the barbed wire would keep me in, I would get better, and be able to live a normal life
again. They thought this was the best thing they could be doing for me…for our family.
Once I arrived at The Gulag prison, I knew I was there until I was 18. I hated my parents at
that point and tried to leave, until three 6foot plus 250lb plus prison guards with night sticks and sun glasses …..Chairman Miller interrupts again and says “Mr. Kutz where did you get this witness?  And what is he talking about?  I thought you were going to present witnesses from residential programs.  This boy is talking jiberish)


I have read fornits for some time now so I am use to the lingo, but I don’t think Chairman Miller would understand nor do parents that come here for the first time.  They come across as fabricated stories to them which lack credibility and I don’t think that Chairman Miller would have allowed the witness to continue his testimony.
Why do you think this is?

First off, don't ever misquote me, especially intentionally ever again.  Second, how many graduates that left FFS more than 3 years ago have you talked to?  I have received calls from both students and parents who have since pulled their children from FFS that tell me many of the things I testified to STILL happen.  Just because you make a few extra dollars sending kids to a 60K a year brainwashing factory does NOT make it effective.  Sure, while kids are there, it seems effective.....check the results in 4 or 5 years and you'll get diffrent results.  If you have anything to say about me "fabricating a story" Have the nerve and the decency to actually say it to me directly.  ALL of my contact info is on the CAFETY website at http://www.cafety.org   Just look up the board of directors info.  Otherwise, don't try to use me, or my testimony in any of your b.s. diatribe on how FFS is good.  It's a crock.

[Anonymous]

First off, don't ever misquote me, especially intentionally ever again.

I made it clear the quote was altered to make a point.  The point being that there are many ways to tell a story and some come across as credible and others do not.  Both of them contain facts more or less.  The key is to determine who your audience is.  If you had spoken to the committee “the way I had written it” you would not have come across as clear as you did.

Second, how many graduates that left FFS more than 3 years ago have you talked to? I have received calls from both students and parents who have since pulled their children from FFS that tell me many of the things I testified to STILL happen.

There are several that I have spoken to that have graduated up to 2 years ago and 1 or maybe 2 greater than 2 years.  They are doing well for the most part.  I would say more than half are still in counselling to one degree or another.

Just because you make a few extra dollars sending kids to a 60K a year brainwashing factory does NOT make it effective.

Terms like “Brainwashing factory” is what I was talking about earlier.  Why didn’t you use this language in front of chairman Miller?  Because it is inaccurate?   I don’t do this job solely for the money.  It is a source of income but helping children is primary for me.  If the results of my work were not favorable for the children I would not be doing it.  There are plenty of ways to make money, I don’t own a yacht.

Sure, while kids are there, it seems effective.....check the results in 4 or 5 years and you'll get diffrent results. If you have anything to say about me "fabricating a story" Have the nerve and the decency to actually say it to me directly. ALL of my contact info is on the CAFETY website at http://www.cafety.org Just look up the board of directors info. Otherwise, don't try to use me, or my testimony in any of your b.s. diatribe on how FFS is good. It's a crock.

I am sorry you feel this way.  It seems you mis read my posts otherwise you would realize that I didn’t say you fabricated any stories.  I was making a point in the power of choosing the right words for the intended audience.  I understand why you are so negative towards programs.
Take Care Jon,
KathyS

[Anonymous]

It's different this time because the Houston Police are involved.

[Anonymous]

First off, don't ever misquote me, especially intentionally ever again.

I made it clear the quote was altered to make a point.  The point being that there are many ways to tell a story and some come across as credible and others do not.  Both of them contain facts more or less.  The key is to determine who your audience is.  If you had spoken to the committee “the way I had written it” you would not have come across as clear as you did.

Second, how many graduates that left FFS more than 3 years ago have you talked to? I have received calls from both students and parents who have since pulled their children from FFS that tell me many of the things I testified to STILL happen.

There are several that I have spoken to that have graduated up to 2 years ago and 1 or maybe 2 greater than 2 years.  They are doing well for the most part.  I would say more than half are still in counselling to one degree or another.

Just because you make a few extra dollars sending kids to a 60K a year brainwashing factory does NOT make it effective.

Terms like “Brainwashing factory” is what I was talking about earlier.  Why didn’t you use this language in front of chairman Miller?  Because it is inaccurate?   I don’t do this job solely for the money.  It is a source of income but helping children is primary for me.  If the results of my work were not favorable for the children I would not be doing it.  There are plenty of ways to make money, I don’t own a yacht.

Sure, while kids are there, it seems effective.....check the results in 4 or 5 years and you'll get diffrent results. If you have anything to say about me "fabricating a story" Have the nerve and the decency to actually say it to me directly. ALL of my contact info is on the CAFETY website at http://www.cafety.org Just look up the board of directors info. Otherwise, don't try to use me, or my testimony in any of your b.s. diatribe on how FFS is good. It's a crock.

I am sorry you feel this way.  It seems you mis read my posts otherwise you would realize that I didn’t say you fabricated any stories.  I was making a point in the power of choosing the right words for the intended audience.  I understand why you are so negative towards programs.
Take Care Jon,
KathyS

However you want to word it.....it STILL happens

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... iew&id=627

Those are just the ones who were willing to go on record with Congress when they allowed us to compile more.  And that is JUST from FFS.  Just because FFS, parents, and kids that left within a year or two say things are better means nothing.  Talk to students out more than say 5 years....its a totally different ballgame.  Brainwashing and PTSD take YEARS to fully surface or become dealt with in these cases.  It took me 10 to even really talk about it.  When will you see that FFS is NOT a good place, and neither are any of these programs?  Paul Geer at FFS talked with students about himself having sex with boys...how is that even remotely an appropriate thing for staff to do?  He IS STILL THERE AS A MUSICAL DIRECTOR!!

[Anonymous]

ILL bet hes 1st chair at the skin flute :rofl: