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It's not a paradox at all.  What you're doing is making the assumption that programs are popular because they provide good services.  They're popular because they run an effective con.  They market to all sorts of problems such as adhd, aspergers, cutting, eating disorders, and the list goes on and on, none of which would require institutionalization.  They make it sound like if they don't get their kids "fixed", they're on an inevitable path towards death, insanity, or jail.  The kid's don't leave until they believe it either.

If you are telling me that nobody in program with you didn't belong there then i'm going to have to seriously doubt whether you were in a program.

So all the hundreds of programs, and wilderness programs and treatment available for teenagers, it's all a big con? I think that's a bit of an over reach, even for fornits. How am I qualified to judge whether a kid should have been in the program with me? I didn't live with them at home, I don't know their parent's perspective, or even why they were sent. People kept secrets, and they weren't tortured into revealing it like some people here claim. The program I was in was like a boarding school, with group therapy every couple of months. That's like saying you believe everyone in jail who tells you they are innocent, without having knowledge of their case or the evidence, how the hell should I know if they should be there or not. There parents spending thousands of bucks per months was a fairly good indication there must be some reason.

As to the actual topic.  What helped me was realizing my future is for the most part what I make it, not some fatalistic drift on a self fulfilling prophecy towards oblivion.  What helped me was understanding how the program really worked and that they lied to me in so may ways.  What helped me was questioning everything and being determined to prove the fuckers wrong.

Prove them wrong? By succeeding in life you are showing that they do not permanently damage people, and that maybe you were helped. to prove them wrong, you'd continue being a troubled person with drug addiction or whatever issue you were sent there for. Dead, insane and in jail isn't designed to push kids to take that path, it's exactly the opposite. It's like reality is turned upside down on fornits and called the truth, unbelievable.

This is no program kid. If he believes his program was of benefit, he'd go off and live his successful life. If he came here he may exchange some posts and debate, but he wouldn't live here. I mean you would really have to be sadistic to mock people who were traumatized, whether you believe it to be exaggerated or not.

I can think of program kids who believe in Program Jesus, but none who would whitewash  either the program or their parents with broad Maxi strokes.  Even they realize the roles and circumstances is a lot more complex than a total whitewash.  And really, not too many people lack the empathy of Maxi.  There is NO way Maxi was a program kid.

With the sarcasm, mockery, and lack of empathy inherent in all of Maxi's posts, it makes no sense whatsoever that she continues to post here.  None. There is something very off about that.  I wouldn't go to an anti-deaf, pro domestic violence site and spend hours trolling day after day.... years... makes.no.sense.

Do you really think this is an anti-program website? If that's true, then why haven't I been banned and forbidden from posting here. This is  a site that welcomes all opinions on this industry, and guess what, my opinion differs from the relatively small group of program alumni that post here. So I get responded to with guess what, sarcasm, mockery and lack of empathy. So you all can debate whether I'm brainwashed or a program parent, and ignore my opinions based on my own individual experience. Complaining about it or comparing me to rapists or calling me names, or whatever isn't going to keep me from posting here.

Quote from: "Maximilian"

Being a troubled teen is a symptom of a problem that has a good chance of lasting a long time, so they try to intervene and help before it gets out of control. If you were in a program you belong to a population of individuals who have more issues than people who didnt' go to programs as teens, sad but true.

LIES.

Very gross generalization, for starters.

You must really think people who read this are stupid, don't you, Max?

TRUTH.

Mine font is bigger so it must be true.

Why is it this is the only website, where people who went to programs post, that I see people openly bragging about illegal drug use? So why did your parents pull you out of Space Camp, and send you to a program, when you were doing so well? This is called the program paradox, every kid claims they were there for no reason, yet programs are still filled with kids. It's a paradox!

Cult- alcoholics anonymous

addiction- non existent excuse for choosing to use drugs

LGAT- the worst thing in the world! oh no!

Quote from: "Maximilian"

It's true! I was a straight A student, and captain of the debate team, and never did anything wrong. Then one day my parents gave me a ride to the airport and said I was going to summer camp. When I got picked up by two burly men, they took me to a program and there my soul was destroyed and I left a program robot. Now I can't work and am on disability for the brainwashing, and use drugs all day long because I was permanently damaged in the five thousand dollar a month treatment center my parents sent me to fifteen years ago.

You mock.  So you don't think there are innocent people who get sent to these places?  You don't think there are any who are telling the truth?  You don't think that there is anybody out there for who the whole experimental cult crap didn't mix well?  I guess what i'm asking is whether you think we're all liars in denial, or just the majority of us?

Sure some might be lying, but the details of their stories often makes such things hard to lie about.  If one kid describes being forced to, for example, give a lapdance in a french maid's outfit, and another person several years later who had never head of the first girl reports the same exact thing, and other students confirm the story, it's even less likely.  Because we know at this point the program will lie, it's worth hearing the kid's story out, especially if it is confirmed by so many else.  

What would motivate a parent to send their kid to a behavior program that costs thousands of dollars a month, for no reason at all? What about hundreds, or even thousands of parents, what is their motivation to keep programs in business with kids who are completely normal and doing well at home?

There are no secrets in program.

Of course there are, this is absurd.

These are words that you will only hear on fornits, in the context they are used in relation to programs. Feel free to add some of your own, and explanations if you wish.


Survivor- anyone who went to a program and likes to complain about it

Gulag- another name for treatment centers

Kidnapped- the process of a kid going to a program

Abuse- group therapy sessions

Brainwashed- improving yourself

Programmie- parents of kids who went to treatment centers

The Program- an all generic term for everything in the hundreds or thousands of programs that exist, the program universe wrapped up into one phrase

Just like I said, the alternate fake identities are accepted, welcomed and considerately laughed at (even if its not funny) simply because they hold anti treatment views, and are attacking the approved targets, which of course is anybody harboring anything that could be perceived as pro treatment sympathies. This double standard on fornits is glaring to everybody but those part of the group think, hypocrisy is a integral part of the fornits mythology. This is why posters like our friend pedo bear here thinks it's funny when reading something as stupid as Danny's stalker posts, yet whines like a  spurned child when someone like Whooter posts under another username.