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I hear you TC. John Reuben is a total fucking clown, I mean seriously. Now he's
labelled me a liar and a bigot. That's just too funny. He quotes one post where
I responded to some loser from cedualumni.com who said I came to his website
calling everyone faggots, which was total bullshit - so I told him to reread my
post over THERE and he will see that I never said that.

Then John Reuben quotes another post where I responded to some pro-program anon troll
biggot (probably Anne Hall or her son). The guy was calling all of us Cedu survivors whiny
faggots and other such nonsense - so I responded to the anon bigot by telling him that
HE was the only faggot I saw on the board.

Of course John the Liar Reuben AKA "whooter" purposely misrepresented my words, to
infer his own fabricated meaning and wholla - now all the sudden he's labeling me a liar and bigot!

Even more lies by John Reuben the biggest liar of them all. Well guess what John - go fuck
yourself! It's not my fault you're a lonely, bitter, loser, who abused, fucked up, & chased away his own family, so now the only things John Reuben has to keep himself warm at night is his
keyboard, hardrive, & monitor! HA HA HA HA!!!  

By the way Troll Control - you rule dude! I'm glad to see you're still around, sticking your thumbs in this jack ass John Reuben's eyes.

Hey, thanks, SOS.  Nice to see you back as well.  John has been having a few bad weeks here and has been fully exposed as a complete liar who made up a phony family so he could say the program saved his phony kid.  I'm glad to see him relegated to the "OFFA" section where he belongs.  People like him actually diminish the value of Fornits because he lies so much and it gets so thoroughly exposed that people might think we're all liars like Whooter (or John, whichever you want to use) has proven himself to be.  Yeah, it's best he stay in this garbage can where he can't really make too much f a mess.  Nobody really reads these threads anyway.

Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Son Of Serbia"

Now you're playing games MR. Reuben, without addressing the questions being put to you.
It seems to be your MO.

Mr. Reuben - I'll ask my question again, based in part  on YOUR OWN WORDS:
 
How does someone "accept" or "embrace" new lifestyles, education (I presume this means IDEAS), and routines without CHOOSING to do so?

If you are speaking to me I am not Mr. Reuben.  If you redirect your question to me I will respond.



...

So I guess you prefer "John" then?

He usually answers to "John" or "John Reuben" as you can see below:

Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben

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John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.

Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.

Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths.  At least they are kept safe here.  Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans.  You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.

Whooter has told on himself.

Quote from: "TheWho"

Quote from: "A friend of Max"

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):

John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity.

Hahahahhaha.  This guy is the biggest liar ever to disgrace Fornits.  Even his "family story" is fiction.  He never even HAD a doughter at all and he made up the whole "I have a successful program kid" story out of whole cloth.  What kind of person feels the sick need to make something like that up just to promote programs?

Why do you call your own utterings "trolling" Whooter?  You said all of it and I quoted and linked to it.  Must be a little ashamed of your own stupidity for getting exposed, but we warned you it would happen.

I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.

He can spew BS all he wants.  It's in vain now.

I profit from the industry.

Yes, we know.  You admitted it before, remember???

Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”

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Quote from: "John D. Reuben"

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

Of course you are nauseous.  That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture.  You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people.  People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe.  Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives.  But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path.  The parents should have been more involved all along.  So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem.  This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:

1.   It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2.    You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.

You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking.  This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people.  Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash.  By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge".  Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.

Why would you deny what you already admitted?  It makes no sense.

Game, set, match.

It's one used by your goons over at STICC probably.  Now here's a "STICCy result" that Whooter can't get free from:

Whooter has told on himself.

Quote from: "TheWho"

Quote from: "A friend of Max"

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):

John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity

No worries, Shadyacres, I have it for you.  Here you go:

Whooter has told on himself.

Quote from: "TheWho"

Quote from: "A friend of Max"

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):

John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity]