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CALO - Change Academy at Lake of the Ozarks / CALO
« on: June 22, 2010, 03:58:02 PM »
Been foucusing on bigger issues but what is the word on CALO.  Here's mine.

Over the past several months, I've exhausted just about every legal option I have and only about 3 CALO parents are willing to move forward, simply not enough for the fight I'd hoped for.

CALO has done it's homework, and appears to have chosen the right state to operate in, very few laws governing their operation.  No gvnt. entity willing to investigate, appears tax revenue and creation of jobs to important to the small resort community.  Local papers biased to community,  Local attorneys not interested in representing plantiffs, just defense.

Unless there is some major scandal, or more parents willing to up signficant time and $$$, CALO will most likely get away with what they are doing.  Maybe in 10 years some poor kid will have a case.

Seems like the kids at CALO were/are correct, most parents are f'ing clueless and just want to forget about their troubled kids and the industry that exploits both parents and children.

Also, the dead or in-jail argument is true, don't fool yourselves.  Not for all, but for some.  CALO only made things worse.

Completely frustrated, am signing off.   Will continue fight on own since no one else has the balls.

CG

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Wonder Man,

Almost forgot.  No, I didn't make up the rumblings in the middle of the night.  I don't do this kind of crap.

The information came to me directly from attorneys in the Lake of the Ozark area.  I can say it is second hand, but it did come from an attorney who has no reason to lie.

Check it out for yourself.  I trust you have the intelligence and the ability if you are really concerned.  Also don't just stop because the state won't confirm or deny.  Remember you are a nobody to them.  So show some backbone and hire a local attorney and have them confirm or deny it for you, it's worth the expense and peace of mind either way.  After all, isn't your child worth it?

Finally, when you ultimately see the truth or have experienced it, by that time you may come to be on our side.  When that happens I'll make sure you know how to contact me so you can actually do something about it.

CG

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Wonder Man,

Seriously, Ursus is 100% correct.  I've dealt with several consultants and they are only interested in one thing...cash.

After they are paid, they tend to go away no matter what your or your child's pressing needs may be.  That is unless you are willing to fork over more cash.  Remeber some of the consultants have kids in these schools and either are paid directly for their services or get a month or two of free tuition for their kid.

You are like many of us, desperately looking for solutions to help your child or your adopted/foster child, looking for the professionals to help, provide a solution, give you answers or more tools to deal with the child.  You need to be prepared for the truth, and the truth is that no-one will care for your child like you will, period!!! (assuming that is you really love them)!!!  

No matter what the past, or the abuse, because we have dealt with it all...and I mean it all, it can be fixed if you and the child are willing.  The trick is, both of you need to be willing to work it out.  If one isn't, it doesn't matter if you send your kid to Mars, it won't work until both are willing...there is your profound advice.

You need to look for solutions within your own household, there are other alternatives if the child is at risk if you are in fear of a tragedy or the child may hurt themselves or others.  I really don't care what the professionals say, in many cases they are just flat out wrong, or have ulterior motives....like....separating you with your CASH.

The ugly truth is the trust of care only lasts as long as the cash keeps flowing.  You are aware that your child only gets miniminal actual licensed therapy, right?  Approx. 90% of the the time is spent doing other activities, including custodial and landscaping duties.  So are you OK with your child providing captive labor to this school while you are forking over a very substantial sum of money?  Oh wait, I thought the whole ideal was actual therapy, not labor camps or summer camp, right?

I can't tell you right now what worked for us, but it definately wasn't CALO, no matter what the professionals said or how well they pushed their marketing propaganda.  There are others like me too.  After all our experiences telling you otherwise, testimonials if you will from those that have been there.  Why would you believe some moron "professional" lining their own pockets at yours and your childs expense?  

I don't have anything to sell you like these so called "professionals", but I will have the guts to tell you the truth.

As far as my strategies and motives....leave that to me if you please....I'm a big person...I also appreciate much of the advice and I do know what I'm doing....I've considered all the ramifications and will take a calculated risk to expose my truth.  You also need to consider that I feel it is my duty to inform others of the truth so they won't be hurt by these "professionals" like we have.

CG

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Wonder Man,

How ridiculous are you if you think I'm going to provide this to you?  What possible purpose would it serve besides providing all the necessary info to the opposition?

The information you expect is reserved for my attorneys and the courts, not you, so get used to disappointment.

If I sound crazy, I'm crazy enough to know when you are hunting, you conserve your ammo and wait for the kill shot.  Also, if someone chooses to sue me, boy are they in for a nasty surprise.

Since it appears you are on a fishing expedition, would you like to comment on some rumors circulating in the legal community in MO?

We've heard rumblings that CALO might currently be under investigation by the state.  Is this true?  Care to comment?

CG

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Guest,

Fabricated...um...no.  Sitting on the info....um....yes.  Media has their time and place but it's not now.   If you have an ounce of brains you should already know why.  If I have to explain it, then you're probably not worth speaking to.

As far as damaging their reputation, I have no desire to damage their reputation.  I don't mind at all, however, exposing the lies and the B.S. as it applies to my personal situation and what I have experienced.  This isn't a smear campaign, though some would like to think so, this is a quest for the TRUTH.  From what I've seen and experienced, CALO is doing whatever it can to stop the truth from getting out, aren't they?  Sends a pretty clear message if you ask me.

As far as the Isolated instance, what makes you think it's isolated?  If it has happened more than once, then it's not isolated.  By the way, notice how no one from CALO wants to answer my very direct questions?  Wonder why?

Thanks for the proper spelling of judgment though.

CG

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Well guest,

As usual you are full of excriment from the transferrence therapy.

We all know the police, DCFS or others won't do something about this, or at least anything meaningful other than taking a report.  No big deal!   We all know why CALO is located in Missouri too, go figure.

What I have I have and you won't get it out of me here.  You still have not addressed the questions or spoke the truth.  Any particular reason?  That tells us how much you are full of shit.

I'm saving what I have for the right people.

CG

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Guest,

What do you define as abusive, and how do you know they are not?  Enlighten me.  If you speak the truth I will listen.  If it is the truth, I will admit I am wrong and will go away forever.  If it is a lie, I will never stop, ever.

I've already disclosed the nature of my involvement.

The one thing you are failing to ask is "what is the truth"?  As opposed to, who I am?  Who really cares who I am?  Certainly not you.  All that matters is that I have a truthful story to tell.

We also are waiting for an answer to my very direct question which no one seems to want to answer.

Why is that being avoided too?  Why does CALO lie and threaten parents?  Why does CALO want to squash the truth?  Why Why Why?

If CALO was sincere about its intentions and therapy, wouldn't they admit to the truth, fix it, make sure it never happens again and live up to the trust of care model they market so assertively and with such enthusiasm?  Or are they subject to the same affliction where they believe their own bullshit?  I for one would rather know that there are problems that are being addressed rather than ones that are swept under the rug for the appearance of propriety.

Why do you defend them?  Are you not aware of what has happened?  Have you been kept in the dark?  What is YOUR agenda?  If you are the attorney, how do you reconcile what is legal vs. what is moral?  Didn't they teach business ethics at your university?  At what point do you stand up for what is right?

My agenda is finding the truth.  No burying it, not gagging it.  If I've imagined all that I've seen, I'll gladly seek professional help, but not at your facility, that's for damn sure.  But the problem is, I've lived it and I have seen it.  So what do you actually know about CALO and what revenue stream are you protecting at the expense of people who really care?

My vendetta is against anyone who tries to silence the truth.

Can you understand now?  The nature of this, I think, might be beyond you.

CG

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Quest,

I'd really like to help you out, but I can't at this point.  I hope you understand and don't hold it against me.  I'm on the side of the truth...no matter how ugly it is.

All I can say is that I'm telling the truth and am really annoyed with CALO and their lies + their threats.  CALO has a history of this and I'm just not afraid anymore...at all, period...full stop...Ken has done this in the past and he has met someone that will stand up to him face to face.

I'm wondering if the CALO post is going to respond to my questions.  I think I have them over the barrel, they didn't expect this one and that is one of the real issues.  Wait till the other comes out.

I have lots more to disclose, but don't want to do it here.

CG

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Open Free for All / Re: Who is the bigger dumbass parents, or kid?
« on: October 15, 2009, 11:33:40 PM »
Who's the bigger dumb ass?

Probably the parent, kids are smarter than we think.  Tougher than we.  They are free'r than we...don't have the same baggage, but just not as experienced.  Sometimes I envy their ignorance and bliss.

Parents are hamstrung by love.....absolute love, compassion and fear for their childrens safety and well being.  Children don't have this burden and profound gift yet.  They are not parents yet.  They don't truly know what love really is.

Any parent that has lost a child knows the hollowed-out empty feeling that no-one can even contimplate unless you've actually lived it.  Makes you question God, god... gawd....(according to the baptists), the church (every one of 'em) and every other god-damn organized religion, government, entity, business, non for profit, and pretty much the entire friggin world.

You think you kids know what anger is...rage against he machine?????  Wait till you run up against a parent that has lost a child....there is nothing...and I mean absolutely nothing....... more dangerous in this fucking world than a parent who lost a child.

Hells Angels, the Mafia, and all the Florida Outlaws are chicken shit panzies compared to parents of a dead child.

CG

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Open Free for All / Re: Who is the bigger dumbass parents, or kid?
« on: October 15, 2009, 11:03:33 PM »
Try:

If you were backhanded, Ken would think you would have been totally abused by your monster-evil parents from satanic hell.

To everyone else:  Do you have children?  Do you know what it means to love someone more than you love yourself?  Granted, parents do stupid things, say stupid things....they will also cut their own legs off to help their children.  Anyone who loves their children knows this...anyone who thinks otherwise is crap, garbage, offal, and a low life piece of dung....who....doesn't have children and doesn't know what real love is.  Real love is sacrifice.

Maybe when you have children yourself, you will understand what it means to be willing to sacrifice you own life to save your children.

Anyone else is a low life piece of dogshit that deserves a instintual dominant rear choke position with a sufficient size honed carbon steel wedge.

CG

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CALO,

Almost forgot.  Thank you for not resorting to the name calling.  Now that we have a gentleman on board, I can stop too and maybe a civil exchange can occur.

Nothing aggrevates me more than the dirtbags slinging lies + the name calling.  Name calling I can handle (all just a bunch of blowing off steam, which I am guilty of it too, mind you), but geeeeze, the lies too?

That combination just makes me flat out crazy.

CG

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CALO,

Well of course you are going to say it's slanderous.  Well, last time I checked, the truth is an adequate defense in MO.  Since I'm telling the truth, I have no concerns and don't mind defending my position.  That is what I am implying, I'm eager to tell the whole truth, just not in this forum.

What I have seen, I have seen,  you can deny it or say whatever you like here and that's OK, but the audience here won't be making the real decisions, will they?  Also, I'm not trying to convince anyone here at Fornits of what my truth is.   My sole purpose is to find others who've also been wronged and had family members harmed by CALO.

Truth is I have seen things at CALO that just are not right.  You apparently are afraid of it and the fact that others have seen it too.  Big problem for you I think, if you continue to sling the crap you've been slinging and continue to try & deny + gag the truth.

Yes, I think Caleb probably is an excellent employee and to clarify, nothing is implied about Caleb.  But that is not what I asked.  I was asking to the effect if he (being such an excellent employee)  has had or may have had issues with certain staff at your facility?

Also, would you like to venture an answer for another nagging question?  Is CALO aware of any relationships that has occured between former or current staff members and the students, either former or current?  And is CALO aware of any relationships between students, either past or present?  After all, if CALOs top management is unaware of what may be occuring under their own roof, there are bigger issues here.  If they are aware, well that's an entirely new ballgame isn't it?

BTW, I don't have any misconceptions about what I KNOW.  But it seems you, do have misconceptions about what I know.

CG

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Ha! Ha! Ha!

You meet what????

What does Caleb think about this?  Has Caleb met friends he would like to spend time with?

CG

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News Items / Re: 6 Year Old Facing 45 Days of "Reform School"
« on: October 13, 2009, 10:31:43 PM »
Cool,

Don't ever vote for a liberal.   Remember, 0 tolerance is crap.  Vote for a measured response.  Vote for common sence.

Vote Libertarian.  Vote for Constitutionalism.  Vote for the Bill of Rights.

CG

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: canine program
« on: October 13, 2009, 10:02:27 PM »
CALO,

Disclose who you are and I will disclose who I am.

I've witnessed this.  I can tell you names.  I want to tell the world the truth about CALO and what I've personally seen.  Yes, girls do sit on the laps of the staff and yes, I've personally seen staff "tickling" underage girls.  Sucks for you.

Challenge me.  I'll meet you in person.

CG

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