This is my point. It's like we're now trying to convince ourselves that Whooter is an industry player? Why did we need this proved? Why do we need to be convinced again? Maybe a long time ago people might have still been wondering, but not today. He is clearly a shill. I can't see anyone coming to this site and coming away thinking any differently. I just don't see the value in trying to prove he is one, or that he is John Reuben or anyone else. A shill is a shill. If his shilling was done in a good light, with legitimate remarks, wise comments, lots of profound insight, even friendly, maybe that would be something else and visitors to this site might think he is a good and decent person. But he doesn't. And I don't think anyone would read his posts and come away thinking anything other than that he is a shill and a bad one at that. That he causes more damage to the industry he represents every single time he posts. He helps our cause. He is probably the best free and replenishing resource we have on this site. His abusive behavior, twisted logic, avoidance of direct answers is what we want people to see about the industry as a whole. This is the sort of person who lures parents in to sending their kids away with false hopes and false promises. Lying and deceiving them in to thinking there is legitimate therapy and counseling to be had at these programs. Getting them to believe there are well trained staff working there. When they see how deceptive and abusive he is here, they will be less likely to send their kids...there. And they will see that he is all about where the money is. Not about helping kids. His abusive language here, his laughing at the tragic stories told by survivors, is just endless proof of how truly sick the people in this industry are. They sincerely believe that humiliating people and abusing them is good for them. And parents will see this. And they will decide for themselves whether they want their child involved with such people.
But as much as I find the effort to prove something a waste of time, I don't knock the thread itself. The more we get Whooter to talk and post, the better it is for us over all. Everything he says is just so amazingly dumb, full of anger, abuse and sadism that people seeing what he is about, what the industry is about, can only help us. Got to love free advertising.