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Hidden Elan School secrets (repost from cache)
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#206 Post by SyN » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:13 am
--- Quote ---Jen, are you refering to Jesse Campbell? He was a cherokee i think or something, but was from west virginia. I knew Jesse well and he did do some messed up stuff, but all in all I really liked him. He was a super funny guy with a great personality once you got to know him. And he wailed on a harmonica. Elan changed alot of people, especially the young kids who were going to be stuck there for years since they were 14 when enrolled. One kid was 13 when enrolled and he was crazy, just cause he knew he was going to be there forever.
SyN
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#207 Post by MorIi » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:15 am
--- Quote ---Yerbouti, do you take it in the booty you flaming homo?
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#208 Post by MorIi » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:15 am
--- Quote ---yipeeeee
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#209 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:12 am
--- Quote ---I'm not the poster from chicago . Now what kind of release do you need and why?
This is a very simple question . really
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#210 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:12 am
--- Quote ---You have no idea what you are talking about. A boy did die at Elan 7 during the early 80's from a brain aneurysm, i remember him. I don't believe that anything done by Elan was the cause of his death, however. Aneurysm's are almost impossible to detect, even today. But the medical care at that time was certainly less than adequate.
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#211 Post by xres8182 » Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:44 pm
--- Quote ---[ This Message was edited by: xres8182 on 2005-08-30 12:57 ]
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#212 Post by Guest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:19 pm
--- Quote ---are you refering to the ring Claires husband was in?
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#213 Post by E7haterJe » Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:16 pm
--- Quote ---wow!! theres some wacky replys in this category...
OK---
Jordan--
I have not ignored you...Where is the confusion? Im sorry? Didnt I say, if you guys werent coming to Fl, that I wasnt going to Philly? If I was in a forgetful state of mind, and confused that point of information with someone else..my bad... no I am not going to be able to be part of your documentary, due to----I cant GO to Philly, and dont want to go to Philly. Its too far, too foregin to me, and just something I am not prepared to do in SOO many ways...I wish you well though in it. I have not been around so much on the boards,. This is the only topic I have really been in to, I HAVE checked some of the other ones, but very quickly and I have made some responces but very skimming like. :???: The whole idea sounds very intresting and I was VERY in to the whole idea, but I need to be in Miami right now. Sorry.
SYN---yes, jesse campbell was his name....
WOW,,,he played the harmonica, cool. Do you have his email? How is he doing now do you know?
Do you know Rob Pheffier or benjamin?> He has been emailing me. He says he is from 7? Right before I probably got in, I remember Tania Merett using him as an example of an unsucessful Elanney? during General Meetings?
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#214 Post by xres8182 » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:40 pm
--- Quote ---Baghead is referring to the Phil Williams incident.How can you say elan had nothing to do with his death.They put him in a boxing ring after hearing him complain of headaches for months.Phil was my friend and he was a mild guy considering the fact his father put a bullet in his mother's brain.This truly is one of elan's secrets.I wish I could remember why he was put in the ring.I would bet money it had something to do with his headaches,because he was not someone to act out phisically.Anon do I know you
[ This Message was edited by: xres8182 on 2005-08-30 12:58 ]
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#215 Post by Guest » Mon May 17, 2004 2:34 pm
--- Quote ---Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
Marc
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#216 Post by xres8182 » Mon May 17, 2004 4:34 pm
--- Quote ---Everything I have ever shared with this board is the absolute truth and I can find the people to back it up.
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#217 Post by Marina » Tue May 18, 2004 1:32 pm
--- Quote ---Marc (Just in case you DO read this)-
I don't know if what they are saying is true or not, but I agree with you that not everything you read here is true and some people like to start rumors. Most people that post here hold on to some sort of anger and resentment from their experience in Elan, yet that does not make them negative. I've learned much from being in Elan and so did a lot of people but we can't deny the fact that we've been treated horribly at some point and exposed to some level of humilliation that was totally unecessary. I don't blame Elan for my problems, from my understanding, they've helped and damaged me at the same time. I'm still thankful for the people who were supportive toward me and although I might not like every staff member there, I don't hate anyone there, except Peter Rowe.
I understand that some people that post here might have been unfair to you by sarting rumors or twisting the facts (Quite frankly: I don't know, wasn't there, can't relate to the situation), but don't you think that you're being unfair by generalizing? I don't hang out with negative people, this is just a web site not my life, and If you take the time to read some of these posts, you'll notice there are good and bad posts. Some people contribute with this site with intelligent remarks, some criticizing, some talking about memories, some really speaking from the heart.
Why do people post here? Because Elan was a rather intense experience for most people and we feel that we need some sort of link with our past. We've been through the same experience, this is where we may find people that undestand exactly what we've gone through and at the same time, we get to share some memories and find old friends.
I think it'd be nicer If you addressed the specific people that might have upset you.
Peace!
[ This Message was edited by: Marina on 2004-05-18 06:37 ]
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#218 Post by O.U.2 » Wed May 19, 2004 2:54 pm
--- Quote ---Fuck this motherfucker and if it really is Marc, Fuck you even harder.
Not once in all that bullshit he wrote did he apologize for any of the people he hurt, misguided, or was just a plain old DICK to. As for myself I could care less if he apolgize's or no or even if he risks his "spiritual death."
My hatered towards this man goes beyond any point imagenable but, i would have a world of respect for him if he just came out and said he was wrong and im sorry.
At least apologize to everyone in general.
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#219 Post by Guest » Thu May 27, 2004 6:24 am
--- Quote ---Jordan, who was your favorite teacher? Remember the teachers??
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#220 Post by Guest » Thu May 27, 2004 12:41 pm
--- Quote ---MR LAVALEEE was up dawg, you were my favorite teacher, hands down, u let gave me credit for writing about pink floyd, and english soccer, to bad we couldn't hang out and kick a ball around. i always could tell in your eyes how u recall thought about élan and their staff, but u were still the man, i also apologize for any time that i might have gotten stupid in your class, but i gotta thank you for that 98 u gave me the summer of 97, those 3 months were the best i had at élan, they actually let me take my night man sleep by going out and playing soccer by myself, nothing could have been better to get away form the crazy elan 7 house. just an update, i never really did much with writing, i started a band in 99 and wrote a bunch of songs, which they promptly stole after i left the band, lol now i work in philadelphia as a video editor/camera man doing commercials for local bars and clubs, and covering the entire music scene. i was certified by apple computers in their editing software back in 2001, and have made more money doing what i do, than i would have had i gotten with bullshit bachelors in whatever from whatever. i tried to produce a film on elan with my old man, but my father is having like a 3rd mid life crisis and im going through my own career and personal changes. Whitney long and i are moving out to california in the fall. where i we'll be living in north hollywood, i plan to land THE JOB before i move out there. anyway, my life has turned out alot better than elan had me thinking, when i signed out of there they told me i was on to fuck up my life, fuck them for saying that,with the exception of my crazy ass family, i have tried to maintain ambition in my life and my career, and once again there isn't a summer that goes by where i don't think about being in elan, but ill tell ya having a good, inspiring teacher is what education is all about, just so ya know my freshman year in college i brought in Floyd's time and was able to get the whole class to write about it, i got an A (probably the only i had ever gotten, lol) thanks again man and stay in touch..
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#221 Post by E7haterJe » Fri May 28, 2004 11:44 am
--- Quote ---Was it Mr. Remey? bear belly, bald, glasses? Looked like a resemblence of a sexual offender? I liked him, up until I found out--although--- he was being nice to me, and Rebecca Foreman and a couple of us others--he was going behind our backs, and telling staff we were being this way or that way, when we werent being this way or that way. and we would get gi buckets during movies. that was wrong!! fucked up teacher./ i dont remember his name, but i liked the math teacher. he hooked me up! in high school that is...cause then when i got in to college!!! i didnt know what that FUCK i was doing!!! in elan though...he made my mom think--i was learning, i was acing math...NOT! but he was down...
and the art teacher was deep... im sure there are others but i cant remember. :question:
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#222 Post by E7haterJe » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:07 pm
--- Quote ---is anyone going to answer this?
Whats Hirem Sibleys new email? someone told me on this sight, that the reason why he didnt respond to my first email, years ago, wasnt because i was such a defiant girl, or because he was a traiter like i thought, but he really is a nice guy and i had the wrong email. this is what i was told on this sight. so i want to attempt to send him another email...someone please respond..thankx
jenn
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#223 Post by Guest » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:22 pm
--- Quote ---This was a good thread before Jordan and others changed the subject.Does Mr Lavalley have any secrets
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#224 Post by Guest » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:24 pm
--- Quote ---If Rosenbergs working there again,I bet he's got some secrets
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#225 Post by XPrincessX » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:27 am
--- Quote ---You are a faggot under an anonymous name,step up bitch and face the real music!
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DannyB II:
#215 Post by Guest » Mon May 17, 2004 2:34 pm
Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
Marc
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If this in fact is Marc as his name would indicate in the end, then I would like a opportunity to challenge him on his claim that he never believed in the ring, corner, signs and GM's ect... because his actions say something different.
I spoke with Marc last in 1993 and most of our conversation was concerning Elan's discipline. How barbaric it was and how it was allowed to continue. Marc said, (not verbatim) well were still getting a lot of state kids and this is all they respond to. State kids poor white kids, African Americans and Hispanic. I was one of them. State pays primarily 100% of fee.
Now I also know ex-employees of these places go through a shift in conscious and start to realize that hey maybe I really did not want to be this way or act this way, I just went along like sheep. It can be very baffling experience to go through. Not to say oh lets feel sorry for Marc or me. No please don't read that into this.
I just wish if it was him that he would of posted more and wrote a apology letter. It seems he was just starting to set the table then he quit.
Well Marc if you read these posts like I've been told you do at times. Read this, reach down deep and help someone like you have never done it before in your life. Make amends. They do transcend.
Danny
P.S. I did not mean to say that "State Kids" were the only ones being abused with the violence or the corner. No, you and I know that is not true. This was his bigoted perception.
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