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#1 Post by Guest  » Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:45 pm

--- Quote ---Some of you know that the current staff and former staff that worked and still do at Elan went through the program themselve's.
But the question is do you know why they were sent to Elan in the first place?

Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan

Marc Rosenberg also another director was sent to Elan for the same reason's as Jeffery but never seemed to be able to stop his drug problem.The man even brings drugs to work with him and is an abuser towards females.Rosenberg was areested in the mid 90's for spousel abusive and possesion of a controlled dangerous substance.Great to know are kids are in such safe hands huh?

Martin Kruglik "Marty" was sent to Elan school for molesting a small child in the early 70's.He was facing a long jail term if he didn't attend Elan school.During his stay at Elan Marty and Joe Ricci became very good friends and Joe offered him a job to work there.After Marty completed Elan he feared for his life to go back home due to the nature of his outrageous crime.So he was more then happy to liv in Maine and work at Elan.

So do you still think Elan is a good place to send your kids?Before you decide to send them there, you should ask yourself, are my kids safe in the hands of these criminals that run this place?
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#2 Post by Guest  » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:59 am

--- Quote ---how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.

or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.

or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).

or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....

the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
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#3 Post by Guest  » Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:52 pm

--- Quote ---"or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house..... "

Would this staff member have the name Marty Kruglik?If a male was molested then that sounds like the work of Martin Kruglik.
If it was a female student who got molested then that would be th work of Linda Roy."Fuckin Dike"

This was this feamle resident there at my time that got pregnant by one of the councilers and they gave her a speedy graduation.The counciler was let go and nothing every came of it.I beleive that the female student was 18 yrs old, so i guess Elan saw nothing wrong with it because she was an adult.

Every one of the staff members that work there have a shady back ground,some are very serious.Why parents send their kids there and leave them in the care of these people I will never know.

You know it's just a matter of time before Marty's sexual erges kick in and he goes after another male student.I think all the male and feamle students should be issued mace in case a staff member becomes sexual frustrated and rapes them.
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#4 Post by davbetz  » Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:29 am

--- Quote ---This couldn't possibly be the same Elan I was at in the 80's.Allthough what you mentioned was not appropriate, Much worse things happened there. I witnessed a close fried die in the boxing ring. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee,who complained of headaches. The Staff felt he was malingering so as not have to be C.O.D. and give haircuts from the incident book. it all boiled down to a GM and Phil was put into the ring. after 2 rounds, he fell to the floor, started vomiting and was dead. The next day, they had that hack they called a nurse come tell us he died of an anorism. There were far too many attrocities for me to post here, People on house rejection in the dead of winter, people scrubbing out dumpsters with tooth brushes. And a post above told of "strengths" beating a splitee. This was a common practice. Trackers were give what was called "open physical violence" against anyone who ran away. The house I was in was Elan 7 aka the State house. Many degrading and yes abusive things happened there. Even when you walked in the door, you were made to clean toilets with your bare hands. It was like being thrust into an alien world. I'll agree, there was some "bad" staff there, but remember, they didn't do much of the dirty work, they had us, the residents to run the asylum.

I hope things have gotten better there. They used to call themselves the "Last Resort". It's like no resort I ever want to return to..... :skull:


--- Quote ---What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
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#5 Post by Guest  » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:37 pm

--- Quote ---You are a fucking idiot. The people who run the school may have fucked up backgrounds, even though i know Marty never raped a kid, but who cares? They saved my life. Just because you were too big of a pansy to make it through the program and someone hurt your petty feelings doesnt mean you have the right to degrade them. And for the guy who said your friend died of an aneurism from the ring, please please please. Spare me. One student died from Meningitis, maybe that was him. But i have a feeling that if Elan KILLED someone, well there would be some legal issues you liar. That is what all of you are, liars. So grow up and leave people alone, it HURTS FEELINGS.
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#6 Post by Guest  » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:16 am

--- Quote ---Where do you get the impression that these folks didn't graduate?
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#7 Post by Guest  » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:53 am

--- Quote ---:wstupid:
Blame. A strong word. Who can you blame? Create a mathematical equation blame=who? Blame Elan. Blame your parents? Blame yourself for getting yourself put into Elan through your own actions? Blame your Grand parents for having your parents and in turn you. Truth is there is no one to blame. Perhaps the people who go to Elan are there for another reason. Perhaps it served as a holding tank, so those inside could aviod another possible destiny. Perhaps if they hadn't been in Elan they would have done something that would have got them killed on the outside. Perhaps, this was all part of a grand plan, someone else's plan for us. Keep a diary, maybe it will help you to unlock the secrets of your own twisted life. Truth is, every where yo go there you are. When you turn around, your all alone.
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Elan's purpose was to change people and change people it did. I saw kids come in as something, and leave as something completely different. It was unbelievable but later on in college psychology it reminded me of Pavlov's dog. Good or bad I don't know. I still lack the self- confidence to judge for my self. I guess Peter Rowe was right when he said to me " you cannot compete with everyone". I didn't see life as a competition then, and i still don't today. Perhaps, competiton is whats wrong with society. If we could all help each other instead of trying to one-up one another, we could all get a lot further together.
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#8 Post by Guest  » Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:38 am

--- Quote ---you state that elan's purpose was to change people and it did.

There are people in prison,there are people who roam the earth as emotional cripples,and there are some people that are dead. All for having been "changed" by elan .

I beg to differ with you as to what elan's purpose was .elan's purpose was to make money ,at the expense of the aforementioned people,and many others

ricci and his confederates got very wealthy by running the biggest scam on parents and states ,while psychologically and physically abusing the people that were intrusted to them (to save ). It is a sad that ricci is not alive to have all this reality shoved down his throat as he is led to prison .

There is still hope (closure) that elan will be shotdown and his (ricci's) cretins that are still alive that ran it, will be put in prison for the rest of their natural ,and hopefully long lives.

kruglik,gotlieb,zaretzky,mccann will be judged (eventually)and may God have mercy on their souls.Yet it would be nice to see them get long prison sentances before that time arrives (closure)at least for me.

Pizzazz
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#9 Post by Guest  » Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:31 pm

--- Quote ---I would like to see Marty executed by a firing squad.After all he did rape a 9 year old boy and sodomize him.Who knows how many other vitums are out there.
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#10 Post by Guest  » Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:47 pm

--- Quote ---I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".

This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"

LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
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#11 Post by Guest  » Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:47 pm

--- Quote ---I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".

This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"

LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
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#12 Post by Maren  » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:17 am

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#13 Post by Guest  » Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:04 pm

--- Quote ---to whoever put the above statement has no fucking clue what they are talking about why dont you state your name so "realness" can get a peice mother fucker!!!
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#14 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:16 am

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--- Quote ---On 2003-02-27 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was messing around on the computer and just happened to come across this section on elan. now i call myself "realness" cause that is exsactly the same thing that elan could not stand about me i refused to fall in that trap that i saw when i first entered that hell hole. i was a resident of elan and i left there finally after 3 years but not with some stupid ass graduation (which is cheep as fuck considering that the fuking place cost so much to be there) and some phony ass dipolma. i left that bitch with something and the only thing that will benifit me in the future a high school dipolma, which not to mention the school there is currupt as shit. i have seen the most stupid people that could not even read get diplomas. all the staff at that place hated me they did not trust me they could not stand me and they practically handed me my diploma (which i bairley did shit in school to get it but thats ok cause i always been street smart and have been through so much shit in my life thats why i saw right threw the fake shit elan tried to throw at me)and kicked me out. they even moved my release date up one month because they wanted me out.
I read through some of the shit that people put on this and some of it is stupid shit that if anybody would believe it is just fuking stupid and to all those people that keep putting that shit down grow the fuck up and get a life cause i know what your doing but your it wrong so let me show you how to do this, kid! dont lie just tell the truth about the fuking place that is all you need to do cause the place is fuked up. now i wish i could reveal who i am but for some reason i have a feeling that pete rowe faggot ass (i might not have time to put all the shit about pete rowe but if you really want to know respond to me i will tell you how he was fuking a girl named Cary Fabaini and i will explain it to you in detail then you can tell me what you think!)is reading this shit to see what is said about him and all the other staff and after reading this there jaws will drop and then they will see that the "Realness" has been exposed. This is directly to pete "you did always sat that it comes out in the wash, HAHA!!!) i know every thing about How pete fuked a staff named Tracy who was under the caring hands of pete when she was a resident i know about deb the staff that was just a fuking slut that fuked all the staff and two residents Ryan Blair and the famous Al Gould (you know petes ass budy that pete sweet his balls all day long and talk about him but really pete and Al were huge contracts and i could tell you more that that too!) and if you wonder how do i know all this shit is cause there was a point were i pretended that i was invested in the program and pete and me were cool as shit and then when me and him really started to know eachother that is when i saw what pete was really about it did not really surpise me because i always knew that there was some shady shit behind the scene. So if you dont believe me ask me anything that went down in elan from 1998-2001. and to those pussy motherfuckers that catch feelings reading this talking about how elan saved your life and that i dont know what the fuck i am talking about suck a dick. elan works for some peole mabey for you but not me elan could not handel "realness". i know someone out there wants to know who i am but i am going to let the exposed people suffer bitch. i am like 50 cent i am going to bring a cange to this shit call "THE ELAN SCOOL".

This should refresh someones memory, Guess whos back? a member of the "FAM"

LISTEN CARFULLY YOU CAN HEAR THE EXPOSED PEOPLES JAW DROP. FUCKERS, I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD, SO DONT REACT TO THAT SHIT PUSSY!!!!!!!
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cary fabiani is such a whore. i actually feel bad that she had to fuck pete rowe in the coordinators thatt fine sunday afternoon. let's be serious. how often have you seen pete rowe come in on a sunday. cary!!!! get your shit together.
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#15 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:32 am

--- Quote ---i just wanted to let people know that that ronnie dorsa is the sexiest man i ever laid eyes on. if any body else feels this way. pleas say something
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#16 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:39 am

--- Quote ---i'll tell you my name if you tell me yours.
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#17 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:22 am

--- Quote ---hey, this m.kyle hart and ronnie dorsa from the infamous family. we found this site today from our good friend danny lavelle. ronnie and myself really hope that didn't happen cary.Talia me and ronnie love you sweetie. hey marv, we love you man!!! hey cary, we hope your doing good. danny prager , we all know that you lied about everything in there except how touched your little sister and sucked dick for coke, we know all about it you disgusting fagggot. nobody likes you. hey kate birney, ronnie wants my sloppy seconds and he wants you to move out to new york that was the nastiest thing i've ever done. please get yourself together, your fowl. does anybody miss us???lavelle says hi!!to pete rowe:i'm on my second semester of college and i'm already more successful than you. ronnie says:your not hard just because you listen to rap pete and i'll kick the shit out of you(except for kyle) no one liked you you fucking poser. .also, chinese lettering tattoos went out in the early nineties brotha.FROM KYLE: to pete and tonia and everyone else. i'm doing great!!!!i'm sorry to disappoint you that i'm not dead or jail yet but wat can i say. i'm the fucking greatest ramrod of kitchen ever to come there.and to all the people that were always there for me and saved my life, you know who you are. i love ya me and ronnie both know the reason your on marv's dick. does ten grand a month sound familiar.Ronnie would like to give a shout out to all the hoes in the female dorms .
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#18 Post by ehm  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:38 am

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#19 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:36 pm

--- Quote ---no, that's just the way i am. what did you go there for. oh yeah , being a slutty whore. you know our name, what's your's you dirty cunt. sporto? yeah, your cool
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#20 Post by Guest  » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:35 am

--- Quote ---hey kyle how the fuck are you man?its Andrina, :rofl: this website is funny as hell.
if anyone wants to mingle email me at em0azfk@aol.com
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#21 Post by Powerful Attitude » Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:05 am

--- Quote ---I'm not from ELAN, can't even say I know what the hell it's all about. I assume it is some deranged place that no one cares to do anything about, and who the hell expects anyone to help. I can gather that you all are fresh meat, I mean, just got out of whatever the hell it was. How about you assholes filling me in about ELAN cause it really seems to have fucked you up. Yeah, I thought I would check out ELAN, see what the hell it was all about, but I ended up finding some really stupid shit from some really ignorant, young, dumb, mother fuckers who can?t see shit. My point is why don?t ya?ll tell me about this f------place instead of cussing each other out, because I would really like to hear about it. Comprehension Mother Fuckers? I forgot to write stupid in front of that. I guess y?all will get the point here shortly. I came here to take the heat if you want to cuss at someone just to ventilate, you prick, and well here I am. Bring it on Punk. You really sound like some young ass punks talking that smack. Can?t even say you know the taste. If there are any sensible humans among you, please post something intelligent. Or else I will have to make a post for all you called ?fucking idiots?. Some of your posts are just sick, black, and demented. Who in the hell is talking to you up there? Comprehension? Lay off your brothers and sisters .

Seriously, tell me about ELAN. And post something worth wanting to look at cause I can?t even tell what you?re all about.

When I first got out of the dungeon, I sounded like an insane man, too
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#22 Post by dterrel  » Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:54 pm

--- Quote ---I'll tell you a little about this place. Elan is a place for teen-agers who have little to no respect for authority. They attempt to try to change our lives, partly, but ultimately, Elan forces us to change each other. As far as I am concerned, I hated the place, but I tried to fake it so that I could get out. It would not have worked, had the court order not have already expired when I turned 18, but since I WAS 19 when I graduated, they knew that I had to get the hell out of Dodge. I was only an coordinator trainee, and everyone thought that I would fail when I left. They were right, temporarily. I failed miserably, getting kicked out of Iowa State University for grades, mostly because of the drinking and the fraternity (Theta Xi,) but that is just an excuse. What I really needed, Elan could not give to me. I just needed to grow up, experience life myself, I always pick myself up somehow.

I do want the world to know that Elan isn't as bad as everyone says it is, because I did see a lot of people leave there that really made a positive change in their lives. The cost of living there is pricey, but if that is what it takes for some people to change, so be it. There are bad people there, people that really have no chance to be anything but criminals, but at least graduating from Elan gives them a faint glimmer of hope for something differant. The one thing that really makes me mad about Elan is the fact that when a person leaves/graduates from there, after 24 to 30 months of intense supervision, when you leave you have no direction as to what the hell you want to do. I wanted to go to school, mostly because I am really smart, and I was harassed about how smart I was by everyone. I went to school at that time for them, not for me. If there was a way to change that, it would be great, but unfortunately, change, for the most part, is a horrendous event to undertake.

Just so that you know, I am back in school now, and I graduate in June, and start grad school in september. I have a great GPA, and I am actively involved in the Student Senate, Student Tutoring Services, Best Buddies of Iowa, Blood Center Events Coordination, I bartend 12-16 hours a week, and I am an administrative assistant for the Iowa DNR full time. I have got my shit together, I just needed to do it for me, not anyone else.

Reply at dterrel_dm@hamiltonia.edu
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#23 Post by Powerful Attitude » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:02 am

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"I'll tell you a little about this place.
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Thanks a lot for some insight. I'm impressed you didn't respond badly to my statements. Very impressive! What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer. Were all subjected to this time frame? I can understand "fakin' it" you had to, always looking to the day of freedom. That's just the way it was. Apply or die inside. Good move on the education. I'd like to hear a little more about how you survived, it sounds like you have some direction. Talk to you later.
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#24 Post by dterrel  » Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:47 pm

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What kind of tight supervision were you under? 24--30 months is a killer.
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Every day, awake at 8:00, asleep at 12:00. Rarely away from staff supervision. NO CONTACT BETWEEN MALE and FEMALE (this includes both physical and emotional)!!! This was the killer, and way painful, hopefully I am not the only one that agrees! When people ask about where I went to high school, I let them either look for themselves on the elan website, or if it is someone that I really do not care about, I tell them that it was like a military school. This, for all intensive purposes, is a lie, but if you were to compare the differences between elan and a military school, you will see quite a bit of similarities. If we are bad, we get PT (Physical Training) and are forced to "GI" everything (from toilets, sinks, floors, once, peter rowe left someone in the toilets GI'ing for about eight hours, talk about cruelty!) Sometimes, if you break a serious enough rule, you get "in a ring" with a guy that is obviously bigger than you, much like being confronted by drill sarge! There are "rats" and "finks" there as well, who seem to pleasure in your pain/misfortune, I'd like to call them MP's. There is a "headcount" of the people, this occurs EVERY TEN MINUTES during certain times of the day. There are guards (who are not the smartest people in the world, by the way ***NIGHTOWL MAKE A RUN PLEASE!!***) and they are stationed in each house at night, and sentry around the campus. The thing is, that it is necessary to take all of these precautions, because, like me, there were a lot of court ordered people there who were a great flight-risk and there are several accounts in which someone ran from Elan and either died or was raped, or never heard from again. Although I would have never run (I enjoy life more than freedom), there was one instance in which someone from our house ran (Nick Thompson) and that was a big reality check for all those people that were involved in that incident.

I can't stress enough how hard it was for 99% of the people that were there, as it is an experience that would sober a 25-year drug addiction in less than a week flat. There is one more thing that I would like to point out. "Image." I hated that shit. "Oh, that's your image coming out," or "You need to stop imaging out!" Man, that shit was the most annoying demand that anyone could have possibly placed. Some people (will not say any names, Rick Diaz) had a big problem with this, but in no sense at all was this a legitimate demand on someone. If we wanted to be more accurate, people should have said "be yourself, not what you think others will like." There was an incident that sticks out in my mind, to explain this better. A friend, Whitney long, has always been a big fan of classic rock (greatful dead, pink floyd, etc.) and I really do not see anything wrong with this. He is excellent at drawing. Part of the work that we were required to do was to put artwork on posterboard saying something specific about the area of the house that you work in. Whitney had a CD case (I think it was the case for Shakedown Street, Greatful Dead) and this had a really detailed drawing of a 3D street and other things as well (NO DRUG REFERENCES, A CERTAIN STAFF LIED ABOUT THIS TO TANYA S!) Whitney drew and colored this as his artwork, and these guys took whitney's position for it, and made him admit that he made drug references when he didn't. This was quite possibly the best piece of art that I ever saw at Elan, but they hated him because he could draw?! They shot him down because of a stupid drawing, which "brought out his image." Just because he likes the music. You know what, I like metal. I really, really like Metal. I had APPROPRIATE (no swearing, drug references, etc.) cd's that were taken away, yet others could have tupac, biggie, etc. These guys would always make Matt Webb (another person that likes metal, even more than I do) be my roommate. I didn't mind that, because we were the only two people (in the entire complex, i think) that like metal. We sort of had a little contract (comfortability issue). What I cannot believe is that they were angry at us because of the contract, like they did not set us up to fail in the first place. This idiot (who was in charge of the dorm charts) didn't like me, as I have always been a smart-ass, and non-conformist. I didn't "fit-in" with his master plan.

In other words, at elan, the people who are the most successful are the ones that pretend, until they are out. In real life, people have personality traits that sometimes take on the form of the culture that they grew up in. It is not "image" or "contracting out," I wish that people could discern between the two. The other type of person who does well is on one of Peter Rowe's sports teams. I have never seen favoritism in such an extreme case as I see in these people who are atheletes. Man, you remember your star, your diamond in the rough? Remember mr rick diaz? I think a little bird told me that he's not doing so well. Won't say as to the extent, but where's you star now, Mr. Rowe? If you should ever read this, I want you to know that out of all the staff I had the pleasure dealing with, I hate you. I would rather be on fear factor with a funnel in my mouth feeding me human excrement than to see you again. I used to have a picture of you that I have glued to my dart board at home, and for the first six months after elan, it would give me great pleasure throwing a dart through your head (it gave me a bullseye!)

Anywho, that is more negative than I have been in a few months, I should stop while I am ahead!

Peace, love and all those things! I hope that all elan survivors are doing well, go bucs!

Ps. Is elan seven not the greatest house in the world? I don't remember ever losing a carnival while I was there, did we (1995-1997)? I hope everyone is doing well!

~Doug Terrel~
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#25 Post by Guest  » Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:38 pm

--- Quote ---Your a fucking faggot Doug Yeah Elan 7 rules. Congratulations on the Carnivals you stupid fucking rat. :wstupid:
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