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Hidden Elan School secrets (repost from cache)
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#251 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:08 am
--- Quote ---This is Diane and I would love to hear that mother fucker O D ed on some bad shit. I d piss on his grave. ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: ::armed:: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
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#252 Post by Guest » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:10 am
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--- Quote ---On 2005-11-30 12:41:00, SS esq wrote:
form the looks of it, it seems like to me some elan staf members had came to this site in the past and threw in their 2 cents. I would love to see some elan staff members step forward and participate in a debate here and answer questions, how about it? Marty? Jeff? Marc? you guys man enough to come forward?
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They aer pussies. I love to meet up with one of them out here. :skull: :skull:
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#253 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:17 pm
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
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I remember a kid back in the 90's who did that..What was his name? Chris?...It was 91 or 92 and he had dreds and was in the corner his entire stay! He was in 7 then for some reason ended up in the corner of 3 and Marc took him into 3 cuz he was getting along with us all. He got out of the corner and ended up right back in the corner 1 or 2 days later..So much for a house switch for the better huh? He could barely walk when he ended up getting taken out by his dad cuz he had been in the corner for so long he got sick from lack of excercise and sunlight. Was his name craig? I forgot his fucking name! I hate that!
I heard Marc say to SP's to not talk to him, not humor him, etc..Marc started talking mad shit to him and calling him a fucking loser and saying he was going to die in the corner, his dad would never get him out, etc..In one second Marc went from being his best fucking friend to his worst enemy. He would feed him 1-2 hours later than everyone else, refuse his daily showers for 3-4 days at a time (he stunk), kept him in the stairwell going up to 3's mens dorms instead of in a room where there was a window and stimulation.
I went on an SP in 7 once during their gym time It was for a girl named Sherry or Chery whatever the spelling. She used to act out ALL the time! She gave every Sp holy hell. She said she would not act out if I was on her Sp so they put me on it. I liked the girl a lot she was mad cool. We were a lot alike. I talked to her the entire time and it went fast. I felt bad leaving her there. 7 sucked. As soon as her Sp came in the room she turned her chair into the corner and went mute. I wrote a vague report for her staff and said maybe she would do better in 7 if the ppl would lighten up a little bit and remember that they were in her posistion and that they were not staff but kids like her trying to survive in a rotten place. I got in SOOOO much trouble! Marc gave me a VR/TT personally! I almost got demoted to RR but I wangled my job back. You see Sherry had been on my Sp many times and I never fucked with her either cuz she was cool. I saved the shit for the Sp's from my house. Hypocrites!
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#254 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:28 pm
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--- Quote ---On 2004-03-25 08:24:00, E7haterJe wrote:
I was at the John Dewey Academy, which I voluntarilly agreed to go to with my mom. When I arrived there, my mom said to me "Jenn you dont have to stay if you dont want to" and I said "No mom, this seems real cool, I think it will be good for me" after 2 weeks, I was calling my mom daily, crying that I wanted her to come get me, and by then she realized life without my drama, was better, and said "stay there till you graduate, I changed my mind, you have to stay", thats when I rebelled and ran away to NYC, (because you could there) and after 3 shots, the president of the academy Tom Bratter, was like "no, this is a voluntary program, we recommended The Elan School to your mom, and he kept insinuating I remember of this kid SHIT I cant remember him name, who was sent there from the John Dewey Academy too, and he was like THERE U CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS...
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Hey... my name's Josie and I went to John Dewey, ran away, then got sent to Elan. I graduated from Elan and then my mom sent me BACK to JDA. She said that she didn't want me to go home and fuck up again. Well, I ran away again. That place made no sense. It was like, we would have these groups and Tom would get in my face and tell me I wasn't getting to my issues, and I was like, "what issues? Please tell me what you're talking about it, and I'll do the best I can to work through them." Well, he never did. I just used to sit in groups and cry while he screamed at me for something, I have no idea what.
I called up Tania M crying, telling her it wasn't fair that I busted my ass at Elan and then I was back at that fucking place. It was nice, it was a castle, but there was something not right about it, you know? Did you ever go in the basement? It was an old slaughterhouse and there was a big hook hanging from the ceiling.
My first time through, I was in with the girl that ended up suing him for abuse. I don't think that she would have lied about it. Tom B was a creep from hell. I can't believe that he still runs that place. He should be locked up.
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I remember you Josie, you did do well in Elan. Why you were sent back to JDA is beyond me. Why JDA even accepted you is beyond me also. You were NOT appropiate for their school. You were not what they took in criteria wise.
It would be like sending a innocent off of the streets to prison. Makes no sense.
You say you ran away from JDA. Were you almost 18? What happened with you after that?
Are you OK now?
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#255 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:32 pm
--- Quote ---Anyone looking for help from Tania M. is a crazy and will realize she is a fraud!
She was a disgusting, cruel, heartless, sick woman.
I hope real estate is a better career choice for her!
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#256 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 8:35 pm
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--- Quote from: "davbetz" ---This couldn't possibly be the same Elan I was at in the 80's.Allthough what you mentioned was not appropriate, Much worse things happened there. I witnessed a close fried die in the boxing ring. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee,who complained of headaches. The Staff felt he was malingering so as not have to be C.O.D. and give haircuts from the incident book. it all boiled down to a GM and Phil was put into the ring. after 2 rounds, he fell to the floor, started vomiting and was dead. The next day, they had that hack they called a nurse come tell us he died of an anorism. There were far too many attrocities for me to post here, People on house rejection in the dead of winter, people scrubbing out dumpsters with tooth brushes. And a post above told of "strengths" beating a splitee. This was a common practice. Trackers were give what was called "open physical violence" against anyone who ran away. The house I was in was Elan 7 aka the State house. Many degrading and yes abusive things happened there. Even when you walked in the door, you were made to clean toilets with your bare hands. It was like being thrust into an alien world. I'll agree, there was some "bad" staff there, but remember, they didn't do much of the dirty work, they had us, the residents to run the asylum.
I hope things have gotten better there. They used to call themselves the "Last Resort". It's like no resort I ever want to return to..... :skull:
--- Quote ---What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
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What's house rejection?
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#257 Post by Guest » Wed May 02, 2007 9:19 pm
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Rumors are one thing, fact is another! And starting a rumor is yet another ... usually, for revenge. As I have had my bouts with addiction which seem to hit every 15 years or so, I make sure I don't work where I am helping others. I seek therapy, go to meetings and stop it before any damage is done to myself or others. It's something I openly admit and must live with. If you consider me abusive, that is an opinion and you are entitled to it for sure. FACT ... I have never been arrested for possesion and have never been arrested for spousal abuse. The fact is I have never HIT, HURT or EVEN threatend any woman let alone my wife. For the people that eat-up the negative comments about others on this site concerning arrest records the FACTS are easy enough to find. Any web detective check site will do the trick. If you rebel don't do it in a way where others are hurt intentialy or hurt yourself ... Only ONE soul to a customer!!! Evaluate all sides. Are you a king or a pawn? Or in this case are you just sheep?
This is the first and last time I will read anything on this site or address anything on this site. Life is too short to entertain rumors and arguments in cyber space, or to entertain lying and the need to over defend oneself, plus it's like hanging around negative people. For the most part "You are who you hang with" at least in my situations. I've learned a lot of lessons in life by making mistakes. For those of you that have pointed out things like arrogance etc. THANK YOU, for without looking at these things and trying really hard to change them I risk a spiritual death! Life is not linier nor is it black and white. If I don't embrace the struggles that change offers I risk stagnation.
Concerning Elan ... I never believed in the ring, having someone sit in the corner for a lengthy time or general meetings where people stand up close and yell. My opinion ... GMs should happen from one's chair where they expound on their anger and not necessarily yelling. I was one of the people that fought to have the crowd stand back at least 10ft. As for the ring, people that are violent and afraid to work in groups and be honest in conversations and confrontaions with staff and other students just don't belong there. And the corner can be affective but if the students and staff are smarter and use those smarts and compassion that situation can be avoided.
Marc
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He is so full of fucking shit! He was right up front in every gm encouraging ppl to spit in ppl's faces! He was cruel! He was ruthless! He is a hypocrite! He never tried to prevent a corner situation from going down. He was the 1st to yell at a person and to put them in a corner. He never tried rational non screaming yelling first. He screamed, humiliated then tried to be a buddy to you!
Fuck you Marc! Why don't you go back to that alley with the needle in your arm place you so fondly spoke of countless times!
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#258 Post by 1991 » Wed May 09, 2007 3:33 am
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Ok..I was at elan in the late 80's/early 90's and I was totally unaware of any murder and i was definitely not someone who bought into the program...I would have loved to have known some info like that so I am not sure that the story is true.
.In any event the whole cardinal rules thing is a joke..its a pack of wild teens living together in a stressfull situation..of course they are gonna turn to each other in that way. I personally had some teamy make out sessions behind the infirmary! But sex was out of the question..NO BABIES FOR ME..especially not back then! If the kids there need a little physical connection to get them through it than thats ok by me as long as they dont take it too far..in any event knowing that we could get in trouble made it so much hotter!
Oh about Pete Rowe he was a good guy..I think he got caught up in the whole thing..he was young..I spent a few all nighters talking with him and he was always a gentleman...and I was pretty hot back then if I do say so myself!
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#259 Post by Demetria » Fri May 18, 2007 10:11 pm
--- Quote ---Displayed right on their website
Look at these and see how badly they want to hide everything from the public. So, funny how they would put their true agenda up, right on their website.
Elan School
Scroll down half-way to the middle box... and read lines 4-6
Funny, shit.
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#260 Post by Toetag Inc. » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:43 pm
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.
or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.
or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).
or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....
the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....
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I remember a kid back in the 90's who did that..What was his name? Chris?...It was 91 or 92 and he had dreds and was in the corner his entire stay! He was in 7 then for some reason ended up in the corner of 3 and Marc took him into 3 cuz he was getting along with us all. He got out of the corner and ended up right back in the corner 1 or 2 days later..So much for a house switch for the better huh? He could barely walk when he ended up getting taken out by his dad cuz he had been in the corner for so long he got sick from lack of excercise and sunlight. Was his name craig? I forgot his fucking name! I hate that!
I heard Marc say to SP's to not talk to him, not humor him, etc..Marc started talking mad shit to him and calling him a fucking loser and saying he was going to die in the corner, his dad would never get him out, etc..In one second Marc went from being his best fucking friend to his worst enemy. He would feed him 1-2 hours later than everyone else, refuse his daily showers for 3-4 days at a time (he stunk), kept him in the stairwell going up to 3's mens dorms instead of in a room where there was a window and stimulation.
I went on an SP in 7 once during their gym time It was for a girl named Sherry or Chery whatever the spelling. She used to act out ALL the time! She gave every Sp holy hell. She said she would not act out if I was on her Sp so they put me on it. I liked the girl a lot she was mad cool. We were a lot alike. I talked to her the entire time and it went fast. I felt bad leaving her there. 7 sucked. As soon as her Sp came in the room she turned her chair into the corner and went mute. I wrote a vague report for her staff and said maybe she would do better in 7 if the ppl would lighten up a little bit and remember that they were in her posistion and that they were not staff but kids like her trying to survive in a rotten place. I got in SOOOO much trouble! Marc gave me a VR/TT personally! I almost got demoted to RR but I wangled my job back. You see Sherry had been on my Sp many times and I never fucked with her either cuz she was cool. I saved the shit for the Sp's from my house. Hypocrites!
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Name
His name was Jesse, don't remember his last name. I was on his sp we carried him from the B.O. to the coordinators restrained to the chair (actually tied to the chair with the restraints instead of handcuffed like they used to do) and he spit on my face so I dumped his fucking ass down the stairs, with the chair. He landed on the landing on his face with the chair on top of him, this was while the house was swimming at the lake, I was on his sp with another guy and pissed becuase I was missing all the female in their bathing suits.Guess what that nasty little shit never spit on me again.
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#261 Post by Marty Crudelick » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:37 pm
--- Quote ---All of me-suhs brainwashed children dump corner people down stairs.
It is the way of the Crudelick.
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#262 Post by Marty Crudelick » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:39 pm
--- Quote ---Also like to add.
After dumping corner people down the stairs, we then dump on them.
New policy effective June 1, 2007.
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#263 Post by The Elan Reporter » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:04 pm
--- Quote ---I wonder if Elan holds rings in one of those buildings that they no longer use? Would make a great place for privacy away from the media?
I know what the luggage cabin *Old E-7* was used for, but how about the rest of the unoccupied buildings?
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#264 Post by ok » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:34 pm
--- Quote ---luggage cabins? were they off on the left hand side just down the path a bit?
If so those were the re-entry dorms back in my day.
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#265 Post by java.gurl » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:50 am
--- Quote ---Jesse huh? Yeah, that kid was a fuckin handfull. He came from some type of money. I was shocked his little game actually worked with his parents and they came and got him outta there.
He did not have a pleasant experience at Elan huh?
I would of dropped him too.
If a person spits on you for no reason then he deserved to be dropped.
What was the shower thing about though? Was that his doing or someone elses.
I felt bad for them SP's in that stairwell on a hot day!
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#266 Post by Che Gookin » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:31 am
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Some of you know that the current staff and former staff that worked and still do at Elan went through the program themselve's.
But the question is do you know why they were sent to Elan in the first place?
Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan
Marc Rosenberg also another director was sent to Elan for the same reason's as Jeffery but never seemed to be able to stop his drug problem.The man even brings drugs to work with him and is an abuser towards females.Rosenberg was areested in the mid 90's for spousel abusive and possesion of a controlled dangerous substance.Great to know are kids are in such safe hands huh?
Martin Kruglik "Marty" was sent to Elan school for molesting a small child in the early 70's.He was facing a long jail term if he didn't attend Elan school.During his stay at Elan Marty and Joe Ricci became very good friends and Joe offered him a job to work there.After Marty completed Elan he feared for his life to go back home due to the nature of his outrageous crime.So he was more then happy to liv in Maine and work at Elan.
So do you still think Elan is a good place to send your kids?Before you decide to send them there, you should ask yourself, are my kids safe in the hands of these criminals that run this place?
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And they let the dude work with kids?
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#267 Post by java.gurl » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:55 am
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WOW! There are a shit load of skeletons in the closets of our old Elan teachers huh guys and gals?
I remember Marc's tales about growing up in Detroit. He was forever saying how he was a junkie in the gutter with a needle hanging out of his arm. It was a great image for us 12+ year old who had only seen a joint if that! Some Elan-ites saw the harder shit but no one was at Marc's level. No where fucking near his level that takes decades of hard core junkie-ism.
I wrote my dad once and said "How do needles hang out of your arms and not fall out and why do they hang in the first place"? I wondered about it.I had a lot of corner and GI time to think about the mundane things in life as a 15 y.o. It just was so weird for me to hear these stories and I was your basic semi-sheltered kid up to that point. Smoking pot a few times and a few drunks did not prepare me for the junkie tales Marc told! LOL. I was in awe. I also remember when he showed the house "Boys in the Hood" and gave a seminar on it for the "gangstas" in the house. Actually Jeffy boy was the "Gangsta Guru" for a white dude from Boston he knew a lot about gangs and stuff. Them white kids were wild in Boston back in the day. They (the kids) were all like "Yeah it's rough slingin drugs in the hood" I was like "HUH" I knew a few of them were the "real deal". Some were fakes, some were not. That is life. Even now that's the reality of the situation most of the time. I got me an edumacation in dat dere Elan place.
It's like rehab though, A lot of the counselors are formers druggies themselves and no one questions their credentials. Is that because they are not shaping and molding the minds of our future leaders? It must be different when it comes to people like Marty & Marc counseling kids and them being in a adult rehab for fellow junkies.
I think if our parents/guardians knew the real raw dog deal about these counselors and Elan we woulda been yanked outta there so fast our zits woulda fallen off! Then again maybe not. My dad always said (after the fact) why didn't you tell me the shit that happened there, I would of driven up there and yanked you out. I said "Dad they told you I would kill myself if you took me to my own Grandma's funeral that fell about 1 month before my kick out of Elan date, they needed to soak up the last drop of cash from our state". He was in shock about that place when he came up to get me and for a parent group. He pulled me to the side and said "Would they do anything if I just took you home?" I was like "Leave my SP here in downtown?!" He thought they'd come get her!! I told him to leave it be and I would be outta there real soon and I was. So it was all good.
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#268 Post by Mister Pink » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:12 pm
--- Quote ---i remember that day I got out of that place.
:rofl: :D :lol:
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#269 Post by The Elan Reporter » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:30 pm
--- Quote ---I remeber the time I spit in Krugliks lunch and brought it over to him at elan 1.
Never fuck with the people that handle your food Marty..
It's a shame I didn't urinate on it too, if I could go back in time I would.. :lol:
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#270 Post by Eliscu2 » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:48 am
--- Quote ---"Jeffery Gottlieb was sent to Elan for drug abuse and other petty crimes which associate with drugs.He is a director up there to this date and has no qualifications to work with troubled teenagers except what he learned at Elan"
-Jeffery Gottlieb, I doubt you are reading this but Happy Channuka.
Jeff was my Brothers' director in 78 long before me.
He knew all about my Family and had my Father sized up for the Asshole he is already.
My Brother and I are both brutally honest.
My Brother had a "Mean Streak" ok he was an Ass too before and after Elan.
Jeff would come and get me out of the corner and the house.
NOBODY said shit to Jeff he would give them that GM look.
He would take me on a walk and say "Your Father is an Asshole, you do not belong here"
He would let me smoke, he even had my brand!
Most but not all of the Directors and staff left me alone or showed somethin special.
My peers were Brainwashed fucktards trying to graduate out of there on the pain and suffering of others.
Of course there were a few good souls among them I somehow got pictures!
Jim Lehman the Director of Elan6 was at Elan3 for some reason.
I was leaving soon so I hung out in the dining room of Elan3 and smoked, trying to not freak out.
I was standing by the backdoor,by the E-3 stage, when 13 year old Elaine H. came screaming
through the dining room. Ripping flesh from her beautiful young face at the same time.
Right behind her were 4-5 Guys ready to jump her. I turned around and my Eyes met Jims.
I started to shake and cry. They had the restraints with them. I lived in those things.
He took me outside.
Now Anne Flynn is a Bitch ass ho and Joanne Ginn too :rofl:
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