Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "pelberglaw" ---Dear the prior poster
Can you provide a link to the actual study you are referring to rather than hyperlinks to summaries of the studies prepared by a business trying to use the study to increase their business. Thanks
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Study
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The one you cited before done by Canyon Research??? Owned by Ellen Behrens? and heavily associated with NATSAP? Not really unbiased.
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html#clients
Check out their client list....
Aspen Education
Aspen Ranch
Academy at Swift River
Copper Canyon Academy
Family Light
Life Line
Mount Bachelor Academy
New Life
Northstar
Stone Mountain School
Sunhawk Academy
Turnabout Ranch
Youth Care
http://clients.morningstarinteractive.c ... mmitee.asp
The NATSAP Research committee members:
John Santa, Ph.D. - Committee Chair, Montana Academy
Ellen Behrens, Ph.D., Canyon Research and Consulting
Rob Cooley, Ph.D., Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy Expeditions
Mike Gass, Ph.D., University of New Hampshire
Kyle Gillette, Ph.D., Solstice RTC
Michael Merchant, ANASAZI Foundation
Beverly Richard, MSW, Three Springs
Brent Hall, MS, Discovery Academy
John Hall, LMFT, Telos
Frank Bartolomeo, Ph.D., The Academy at Swift River
Joanna Bettmann, Ph.D., Open Sky Wilderness Therapy
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This study was also well discussed in the following threads:
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG · viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28834
Troubled Teen Industry Studies · viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30684[/list]
DannyB II:
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "pelberglaw" ---Dear the prior poster
Can you provide a link to the actual study you are referring to rather than hyperlinks to summaries of the studies prepared by a business trying to use the study to increase their business. Thanks
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Study
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The one you cited before done by Canyon Research??? Owned by Ellen Behrens? and heavily associated with NATSAP? Not really unbiased.
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html#clients
Check out their client list....
Aspen Education
Aspen Ranch
Academy at Swift River
Copper Canyon Academy
Family Light
Life Line
Mount Bachelor Academy
New Life
Northstar
Stone Mountain School
Sunhawk Academy
Turnabout Ranch
Youth Care
http://clients.morningstarinteractive.c ... mmitee.asp
The NATSAP Research committee members:
John Santa, Ph.D. - Committee Chair, Montana Academy
Ellen Behrens, Ph.D., Canyon Research and Consulting
Rob Cooley, Ph.D., Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy Expeditions
Mike Gass, Ph.D., University of New Hampshire
Kyle Gillette, Ph.D., Solstice RTC
Michael Merchant, ANASAZI Foundation
Beverly Richard, MSW, Three Springs
Brent Hall, MS, Discovery Academy
John Hall, LMFT, Telos
Frank Bartolomeo, Ph.D., The Academy at Swift River
Joanna Bettmann, Ph.D., Open Sky Wilderness Therapy
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This study was also well discussed in the following threads:
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG · viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28834
Troubled Teen Industry Studies · viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30684[/list]
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Talk about bullet proof!!! I think everyone on fornits took a shot at trying to discredit the study to no avail. There was no conflict of interest found (not even a slight trace to an IBM software program somewhere) lol.
But in all fairness if there are ever concerns then they should be forwarded to the "oversight committee" for review and they will determine if it tainted the study or not. That is how it is done.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "pelberglaw" ---dear anonymous
I have seen and read the study you linked to. Stripped of its wrapping it compares how parents see their kids and kids see themselves on the day they are sent into a program and the day they leave. That kind of survey, even if dressed up with scientific language and statistics to make it look serious, is not worthy of discussion. I thought from your earlier post that there was a one year follow up. Has that been published? Is that true? Where can I find it? Thanks
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Many people came out against many of the heart studies (initially) and most were professionals in the field. But the studies stood the test of time and lead us to determine that cholesterol is bad for us and this lead to the development of coronary stents.
This (Aspen Study) consisted of about 1,000 families so the results are considerable. When the population size was only 17 people had a problem with that too. So I don’t see a study ever getting accepted here on fornits. But this study stands within the professional community and that is what really counts.
I dont have the original study which was done 1 year out, at hand. When I find I will toss a link up.
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Yes, yes, we've gone through this song and dance before. Several times, I think. I guess this "study" musta got soooo bunked, Whooter, that you're too embarrassed to furnish the link anymore. Here it is, for those who don't have it yet: http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_p ... hapiro.pdf
As has been pointed out previously, this is a student paper, apparently done as part of Shapiro's graduation requirements. While I wouldn't be willing to toss it on that basis alone, it becomes readily apparent, even on the first read ... that this is a whole lot o' spun sugar. Note that results are presented in terms of percentages, the better to obscure the statistical irrelevance of the actual numbers, lol.
Anne Bonney:
Yep, he linked to another one not too long ago, bit that was thrashed as well for its industry connections so he won't throw that one up either.
Goddamn, but these people/places are incestuous.
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