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Way more kids praise programs than attack them, why is that?
Whooter:
poke, poke poke, jab, jab .... Sorry, everyone. I havent seen anyone come out against it in any professional capacity. I think its fair to say that fornits wouldn't accept "any" study which shows the industry to be successful.
But that aside, we do have a study that is independent and overseen by a third party. I am sure everyone here would have designed it differently but you were not involved. But it doesnt void the study. If you feel the study is tainted in anyway you should submit your concerns to the "Western Institute Review Board" and they will determine if your concerns are valid or not. I think this would settle alot of people concerns.
Until that time we need to go with the facts that are on the table.
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pelberglaw:
Dear
I am not interested in getting into a debate here about any of this. I am simply asking you to refer me to the follow up study you referenced so that I can read it.
Thanks
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "pelberglaw" ---dear anonymous
I have seen and read the study you linked to. Stripped of its wrapping it compares how parents see their kids and kids see themselves on the day they are sent into a program and the day they leave. That kind of survey, even if dressed up with scientific language and statistics to make it look serious, is not worthy of discussion. I thought from your earlier post that there was a one year follow up. Has that been published? Is that true? Where can I find it? Thanks
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Many people came out against many of the heart studies (initially) and most were professionals in the field. But the studies stood the test of time and lead us to determine that cholesterol is bad for us and this lead to the development of coronary stents.
This (Aspen Study) consisted of about 1,000 families so the results are considerable. When the population size was only 17 people had a problem with that too. So I don’t see a study ever getting accepted here on fornits. But this study stands within the professional community and that is what really counts.
I dont have the original study which was done 1 year out, at hand. When I find I will toss a link up.
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pelberglaw:
Dear
I am not going to respond to your post because I will not get into a back and forth with an individual who declines to identify himself. I find that creepy and I do not have enough time for it.
Please post a link to the follow up to the study you referenced because i would like to read and comment on it. You seemed to have those other links at your fingertips.
Thanks
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "pelberglaw" ---dear anonymous
I have seen and read the study you linked to. Stripped of its wrapping it compares how parents see their kids and kids see themselves on the day they are sent into a program and the day they leave. That kind of survey, even if dressed up with scientific language and statistics to make it look serious, is not worthy of discussion. I thought from your earlier post that there was a one year follow up. Has that been published? Is that true? Where can I find it? Thanks
--- End quote ---
Many people came out against many of the heart studies (initially) and most were professionals in the field. But the studies stood the test of time and lead us to determine that cholesterol is bad for us and this lead to the development of coronary stents.
This (Aspen Study) consisted of about 1,000 families so the results are considerable. When the population size was only 17 people had a problem with that too. So I don’t see a study ever getting accepted here on fornits. But this study stands within the professional MARKETING community and that is what really counts.
I dont have the original study which was done 1 year out, at hand. When I find I will toss a link up.
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Fixed that for ya! :seg:
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