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worried about getting sent back
« on: March 16, 2009, 11:29:51 PM »
I am worried about my parents trying to send me to a wwasps school.  i attended CSA already. does anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation legally?
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 11:32:23 PM »
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I am worried about my parents trying to send me to a wwasps school.  i attended CSA already. does anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation legally?
this is a legit post, btw, and not a troll.  This kid needs help.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've suggested retaining an attorney to have uncensored contact if he gets sent back, but other suggestions are welcome.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 12:42:27 AM »
How is a teenager going to afford an attorney? Besides it's not illegal for parents to send their kids away, so what grounds would they have to fight it. If you know for sure you are going to get sent away again, the only way to avoid it for sure is to run away from home. The next best option, if your fate has not been decided, is to educate your parents as to the truth about wasp.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 12:58:39 AM »
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How is a teenager going to afford an attorney?

Pro bono, perhaps.  Some attys are in this for more than the money and actually care about the kids who gets sent to these programs.

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Besides it's not illegal for parents to send their kids away, so what grounds would they have to fight it.

You're missing the point. Attorneys have unfettered access to their clients and attorney client priviledge.  This means the atty can call the program and demand to speak to the kid.  They can't interfere or even listen in.  This allows an unrestricted link with the outside world, effectively breaking the program dynamic.

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If you know for sure you are going to get sent away again, the only way to avoid it for sure is to run away from home.

And get caught and sent anyway?  bad idea.  Easier to play along and fight within the boundries of teh system.  A program would *definately* mind their manners if they knew a kid was currently represented by an atty (they might even send the kid home to get such a liability the hell out of there).

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The next best option, if your fate has not been decided, is to educate your parents as to the truth about wasp.

Risky... but it probably wouldn't work in this circumstance.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 01:06:46 AM »
Just information: It is not a troll according to one of our case workers.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 01:13:48 AM »
well you have several options but all are dependent on your individual situation. If you wouldn't mind answering some questions we might be able to help more accurately.

First, how old are you? Do you have any other relatives you can go live with? or friend's parents who would be willing to take you in? Are you able to hold down a job in case you need to prove that you can support yourself outside of the home?

Second, Are your parents able to be reasoned with? Are they "program parents" as in, still involved or staffing seminars? Have you tried speaking with your parents about your experience at the program, enough to explain to them what WWASP tries to pass off as "therapy" and "treatment"? Have you sat down to talk to them about how they feel about you and your actions as of late and do you think that its possible to come to an understanding and agreement BEFORE it gets to a point that they decide to send you back?

Third, have you evaluated yourself, your actions and are you willing to lay low until your 18? Most times as long as your coming home before curfew and and don't have a reoccurring problem with drugs some parents are able to look the other way with normal adolescent behavior like attitude and low grades. So what exactly is pissing them off about your behavior or actions?

Fourth, Are there any outlets in your community that you can reach out to in order to help with mediation between you and you parents, for instance do you have a guidance counselor at school or a family counselor or even an older sibling to step in and help you communicate with them and them communicate with you?

If the worst really comes to worst, and you feel in danger of being abused or imprisoned without due process against your will you should contact child services, a lawyer and several people (and I mean as many as possible) about this situation that way if you go missing there are people willing to fight on your behalf to have you pulled out of this program. It has happened before, and what most kids don't realize is that you have rights as an American citizen that over-power any parental rights. You have the right to an attorney and that attorney has the right to gain access to you where-ever you may be in the country. The only thing you have to worry about is that you could be sent out of the country, one possibility is to Mexico where they have developed a new WWASP program called Oceanside. Its very possible that if your parents called WWASP right now that is where they would refer you to because they are marketing their newest program. If that's the case, you need to make sure that you have a way to get in contact with the outside world, establish a secret code with one of your family members that when you write them they know you are being abused and need to act to have you extracted ASAP. Mexico is a dangerous and lawless place and I am not being racist when I tell you that some of the Mexicans that live there DO NOT like Americans, especially what they believe to be spoiled little brats. I am speaking from experience, I was in 2 WWASP programs in Mexico and I was severely abused, including physically tortured. You can try to convince your parents not to send you there, and hope for the best, but you NEED to prepare for the worst.
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My advice?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 10:30:29 AM »
If all else fails, just get the hell out of there! RUN!!!

Just about anything would be better than getting sent to that place...

Life may be hard on the streets, but you'd prolly be better off on the streets than in there!!
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 11:54:18 AM »
All advice so far seems good - with the possible exception of running. I can't advocate this. Unless maybe your nearly 18 - and have a trusted friend or family member you can go to.

You might consider contacting your state department of child welfair - or call the child abuse hot-line. You should have no trouble making the case that the WWASPS programs are abusive and negligent - just refer them to the law suit Turley has filed. See if they can offer you any safety measures - maybe get you a case worker who will make sure you don't get "disappeared".  They might or mignt not - depends on many factors you have no control over.

The advice to behave yourself is good advice - but maybe your dealing with folks like that poor kid in Maia's book,Help at Any Cost, Paul Richards. (Talk about some kool-aid swilling wackos) If that's the case then you are at great risk no matter how well you tow the line.

One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight.  If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.

If you end up in a rental car on a long drive  - this will increase you opportunities to seek assistance.  Every stop give the same speech as at the air-port - I am being taken against my will - please call the police.

I'll grant you some officers might not be so sympathetic - but others will. I personally know of a case where the state troopers interceded to keep a program from forcing a boy into a car for return to a program - and followed up with getting the kid to a local YMCA and helping him with a set of cloths from the local salvation army.  

 Do what ever you can to get yourself an attorney interested in helping - willing to take your calls and to intercede if required. Get yourself a copy of the WWASP law suit and seek meetings with family attorneys, or juvenile defense  attorneys, and explain your in danger of being sent back. I'd like to think someone would be appalled enough to step up to the plate for you.

http://www.turleylaw.com/

on the left side bar you'll see: Recent filings.

this will take you to a PDF copy of the law suit.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 12:42:32 PM »
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All advice so far seems good - with the possible exception of running. I can't advocate this. Unless maybe your nearly 18 - and have a trusted friend or family member you can go to.

You might consider contacting your state department of child welfair - or call the child abuse hot-line. You should have no trouble making the case that the WWASPS programs are abusive and negligent - just refer them to the law suit Turley has filed. See if they can offer you any safety measures - maybe get you a case worker who will make sure you don't get "disappeared".  They might or mignt not - depends on many factors you have no control over.

The advice to behave yourself is good advice - but maybe your dealing with folks like that poor kid in Maia's book,Help at Any Cost, Paul Richards. (Talk about some kool-aid swilling wackos) If that's the case then you are at great risk no matter how well you tow the line.

One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight.  If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.

If you end up in a rental car on a long drive  - this will increase you opportunities to seek assistance.  Every stop give the same speech as at the air-port - I am being taken against my will - please call the police.

I'll grant you some officers might not be so sympathetic - but others will. I personally know of a case where the state troopers interceded to keep a program from forcing a boy into a car for return to a program - and followed up with getting the kid to a local YMCA and helping him with a set of cloths from the local salvation army.  

 Do what ever you can to get yourself an attorney interested in helping - willing to take your calls and to intercede if required. Get yourself a copy of the WWASP law suit and seek meetings with family attorneys, or juvenile defense  attorneys, and explain your in danger of being sent back. I'd like to think someone would be appalled enough to step up to the plate for you.

http://www.turleylaw.com/

on the left side bar you'll see: Recent filings.

this will take you to a PDF copy of the law suit.

Be ware of burly men or family members that come in the night to snatch you up.  Sometimes drugs are involved to make sure that you are subdued so you can't make a scene at the airport.  If this sounds crazy, that's because it is, and no child should go through that.  Unfortunately it happens, and some schools/programs recommend this course of action, especially if they think you will be resistant.  But if they do try to take you by plane, make a scene!!!!!  I wish that I had known this fact, even in a drugged up state I could have made more of an effort.  Plus with beefed up security, there will be at least a few seconds alone with someone in TSA while going through security.  

Honestly, to avoid the programs, quit doing whatever it is that is pissing your parents off enough to want to send you away.  I was skipping too much school.  That was turned into them believing I was sleeping around, doing coke, and dealing drugs, even though I wasn't.  I wish that I had just gone to class, stopped fighting with them, and kept my head down until 18.  This is probably the best way to avoid it.  If you don't show drug/behavior problems, they won't want to send you away/ won't have a reason, plus behaving will give you leverage.  

I realize that once some parents have the seed planted in their head, that there is nothing that you can do.  If that is the case, it has been said before, but let as many people know as possible.  Not just your friends, trusted adults too.  Show them books on it, show them the AARC piece, anything and everything to explain it.  Your parents are far more likely to listen to an adult about the dangers of programs than your friends (because they probably are already labeled as "druggies" even if they are not).  If I knew what they were threatening me with (I had never heard of these programs until I was sitting in a plastic chair), I would have done anything and everything to avoid it.  Playing along with the family until 18 is waaay better than a stint in a program.  

Best of luck.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 08:37:59 PM »
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One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight.  If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.

This is EXCELLENT advice, Your never short of interesting comments BuzzKill.

I would also add to that that when you are making a scene you mention your age and that you do not have a criminal record and that you are be imprisoned against your constitutional rights. You NEED to know your rights and demand that they are not violated. You might as well tell your parents this... maybe we can draw up some documentation that proves that constitutional rights (being falsely imprisoned without due process) over powers any parental rights and that they would be directly responsible for any more violations of your rights. You might not want to out-rightly threaten to sue them but you should indirectly inform them that they can be sued and you would win. Here is where I would recommend getting a lawyer. Most lawyers will can give you legal counsel pro-bono and might be willing to talk to your parents on your behalf.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 09:18:17 PM »
I would go with some sympathetic relatives as the first port of call. While calling the authorities or running away are  emergency options, a family member *may* depending on the circumstances be able to diffuse the tension between you and the folks. At the very least if you have a wider family that you get along with you can hang at their house for a bit & give everyone a bit of breathing space. Failing that is there another adult in your life that you like but your parents see as sensible and trustworthy? Perhaps you can get them on board to try and negotiate something. I would also talk to a school counsellor if they are any good and show them the antiwwasp literature. Make as many concerned adults as possible aware so that if you do disappear they are alert and concerned
It is concerning that you are as far away as Alaska as you will be travelling a long way if this goes ahead. Do you know anyone close to the school that you can warn ahead of time?
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 11:31:02 PM »
Post your parents' address, name, and phone number here.

This is the nuclear option, which means that you should use it first.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 11:41:35 PM »
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Post your parents' address, name, and phone number here.

This is the nuclear option, which means that you should use it first.

That's a daft idea.  That pretty much guarantees the program will contact them and then he *will* get sent back.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 07:47:18 AM »
Get a sharp blade- very sharp.

Say "This is to prevent your disgusting genetics from passing to anyone else."

Pull down your pants.

Then, looking him in the eye, castrate yourself in front of your father.
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Re: worried about getting sent back
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 07:56:46 AM »
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Get a sharp blade- very sharp.

Say "This is to prevent your disgusting genetics from passing to anyone else."

Pull down your pants.

Then, looking him in the eye, castrate yourself in front of your father.

Welcome to Fornits!

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