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« on: August 05, 2003, 07:05:00 PM »
i got this in my email.

Dear Families,

The following post was made by a Mom from Ivy Ridge. We felt it would serve
to be of
value to you and any others that we may be able to bring some awareness to.

Thanks,

Randy

Some of you know me and some of you don't... At this point in my life it
doesn't really matter
to me if you do or not as long as you listen to what I have to say and it
helps to save your
child's life.

Let me paint the picture for you....

My sister, whom I am very close to, lives about 3 hours away from me. We
grew up together
and have always shared a strong sisterly bond. We were married 2 months
apart and
became pregnant 2 months apart and no matter the miles between us we are
always there
for each other. Our children were raised sharing the same bond that my
sister and I have.
The only difference was there gender basis and the fact that I became a
single parent
shortly after my daughter's birth.

As our children grew we shared our experiences and worked together to
resolve parenting
issues. Our children were close but had different life objectives. My
daughter was the rebel
without a cause and her son was the quiet intelligent guy. We struggled
with our children's
diagnosis of ADHD and the prescribed medicines that our physicians
administered. We
compared counseling notes and researched any information we could get our
hands on to
help our children overcome and conquer.

By Christmas of 2001 I was at the end of my rope. When my sister was home
for the holiday
we had discussed the problems that I was going through with my daughter and
how she
was getting further and further into street drugs and spending more time in
a detention
facility than in her own home. I was afraid for her life. My sister then
went home after the
holiday and was talking with an acquaintance about her daughter and the
problems she
had been having only to find out that the acquaintance had her daughter
escorted to a
school in Montana. After in-depth conversation she noted all of the
information and contact
names to assist me in finding the help I needed in order to save my
daughter from the
destructive patterns she was partaking in.

January 2002 I drove my daughter to Ogdensburg, New York to visit a
facility called Ivy
Ridge. I had NO idea what I was truly getting into but I needed help and I
needed it FAST!
After arriving at the school and meeting the staff and seeing my daughter
walk through the
threshold and knowing very little about the facility and how she would be
treated and when
I would ever see her again...was very frightening to say the least. But, I
knew that I would
do anything humanly possible to save her from destroying her life.

I called my sister on my cell phone as I pulled away from the school
parking lot to tell her
"thank you". I told her what a beautiful facility it was and about the
wonderful staff that
would be helping us throughout this journey. I just felt right than and
there I was doing the
right thing and I was so grateful to my sister for helping me find the
academy.

As the months marched on...so did we as a team. When it was time for me to
attend
Discovery my sister paid for and traveled the seven hours in order to be
there for me and
support me in any way she could. A few more months on down the road it was
time to
attend PC I. After all that we had already gone through together I thought
she would enjoy
getting to see her niece and the progress she had made...thanks to her aunt
loving her so
much! What an awesome time it was for us to be together.... Teri had
progressed so much
that we were in awe... We felt like a team as we had conquered!

We were rapidly approaching our children's 18th birthday...high school
graduation...and
college entrance exams... Oh my.. where had those years gone?

My daughter came home from Ivy Ridge and had a whole new outlook on life.
Things were
really starting to look up for all of us! Full speed ahead....

Two weeks ago I went with my sister to the funeral home to make
arrangements with the
funeral director to perform a memorial service for my nephew who had passed
away at 18
years old from an overdose of DXM (dextromethorphan)...or to us unassuming
parents...a
lethal dose of Robitussin.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am mortified! What is this all
about? What the hell is
DXM and how can Robitussin kill you? He is just a baby! How did an over the
counter
product destroy this human life? The questions are never ending.... This
should have
NEVER happened and I am going to do my damnedest to try and make parents
aware so
that they do not have to ever endure kissing there child goodbye for the
last time.

When I pulled into the funeral home with my daughter by my side I looked at
her and said I
hope you will talk to your aunt and tell her it's not her fault that this
has happened that there
was not any way for anyone to know this was going on. She feels so much
guilt and I am
sure that you could give her some reassurance. My daughter turned to me and
said "mom,
thank for sending me to Ivy Ridge in order to save my life, it showed me
how much you
loved me. Had you not done that, that might have been me in there" We
walked into the
funeral home together and my sister came up to me and said I have someone
that I want
you to meet. Lo and behold it was the mother of the daughter that was in
the Montana
program. I introduced my daughter and we all talked about how blessed we
were to have
found out about the program. We talked about how hard it was to take our
daughters to a
strange place, with unfamiliar people and just trust that it would be ok.
We reminisced about
how hard it was to be separated from our children...and then
realized....what the outcome
might have been had we not stayed strong and committed to the program.

For the past couple of weeks we have done a lot of soul searching and
wondering what we
could have done to save his life. What did we miss out on. With Teri it was
always so
obvious...because she never hid anything. With Carl he was the quiet
intelligent type. You
see Robitussin... you think cough syrup... Not LSD!

We have found out that the internet offers you much information on DXM and
how to take
it and what the psychedelic drug will do for you and it even tells you that
you should have s
trip sitter (someone that is sober and keep an eye on you) near by when you
are guzzling a
bottle of Robitussin just in case things get out of hand. Why didn't we see
the signs? How
could we have missed the fact that he was self medicating? Well...in our
research we have
found that DXM will not appear on drug tests...and there are no after
effects or signs of
addiction to note. The effect period of time from taking the cough syrup (I
still cannot hardly
believe that I am saying cough syrup for such a powerful drug) is such a
small window of
time that most parents would not know if it was taken when their children
were out with
there friends for the night...because they can come home sober.

This has to be the worst thing that has ever happened to me in my entire
life! And I don't
want sympathy or acknowledgement.... I want parents to help me in stopping
this madness!!
I DO NOT want another parent suffering the lose of their child due to this
common cold
medicine. I want the awareness to spread rapidly.

Parents... please!!!! note this information and pass it on to anyone that
will listen.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2003, 07:58:00 PM »
This story saddens me.  So many kids are using drugs that can kill them and others.  The following article tells the same thing.  A good kid, high school jock, good family.  Sometimes you see the signs, sometimes not.  I don't know if this young man's parents saw the signs.  If you are a parent and see the signs, just know there are many other's that you aren't.  Get help before you bury your own.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... olo05.html

Teen driver used inhalants before crash, detectives say
 
Phil Staun, 16, was a junior at Desert Mountain High School.
 
Emily Bittner
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 5, 2003 12:00 AM


The Scottsdale teenager whose car crossed a median and killed a Mesa man on Friday was inhaling aerosol chemicals with his friends while he was driving, investigators say.

"Two of three survivors admitted to using it and stated that the driver had used this as well while he was driving," Sgt. Paul Chagolla of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office said Monday.

The teens were inhaling Dust-Off, an aerosol computer-cleaning product.

Phil Staun, 16, a Desert Mountain High School junior, was driving his parents' Cadillac to Payson with friends to go cliff-jumping. He veered across the median near Shea and Saguaro boulevards in Fountain Hills and hit 38-year-old Martin Bonilla's truck head-on. Staun and Bonilla, father of three, were pronounced dead at the scene.

Staun's father, P.J. Staun, declined comment Monday evening.

"Kids don't understand how dangerous Dust-Off is," said Harvey Weiss, executive director of the National Inhalant Prevention Coalition. He receives more than 100 phone calls a year from parents whose children died while "huffing," the slang term for inhaling chemicals.

 

Related stories
? A dad who 'loved us all' - father of 3 died in collision
? Students plan memorial fund

 
The high from Dust-Off is brief, but its effects are much like alcohol, he said. During and after the initial euphoria, users experience a lack of coordination and concentration, he said.

The chemicals in Dust-Off replace oxygen in the brain and raise blood pressure and the pulse rate and sometimes dilate the eyes, Chagolla said. Delirium and loss of consciousness also can occur, he said.

"Inhalant use and abuse is a silent epidemic," Weiss said, pointing to data that show inhalants are the first substance many children will abuse. "Far more young people use it than people realize. It cuts across all socioeconomic levels."

The Medical Examiner's Office is still conducting toxicology tests on Staun, Chagolla said.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2003, 08:46:00 PM »
This is Fornits isn't it? Yep, there for a minute I thought I must have hit the Struggling Teens link. Was that you, Red Hot Mama, or one of your visionary cohorts?

GINGER !!
I'm sure you see what is going on here. The first post [apologies to the family if this is a true account] sounds like an advertisement for Ivy Ridge built around one of those "pass it on" emails we all get.
Please !! Spare us. Even Lon XXXXXs out the name of the program. I think you should also XXXXX out any comment or reference to "program".
Deborah




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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2003, 09:12:00 PM »
Who is Red Hot Mama?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2003, 09:16:00 PM »
Check out the thread "WHAT IS THIS ?????"
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2003, 09:50:00 PM »
Nicknames - fun, playful, nicknames.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2003, 10:31:00 PM »
I am not gonna call this testimonial an outright lie but it seems pretty far fetched. In addition Ivy Ridge has been open for so short a time that I find it hard to believe that very many kids have been in and out of there yet.

While its true there is a lot of information on DXM as a recreational drug on the web, its also true that most of those sources list the safe dosages. The biggest dangers from trying to use DXM, referred to as Robotripping is that the robutussin contains other more dangerous chemicals that can make you sick or kill you at far lower dosages than dxm.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2003, 03:33:00 AM »
This is a true story, it was taken directly off the wwasp bbs, which is not cool.  Whoever posted it didn't receive it in an e-mail.  Ivy Ridge has been around for over 2 years, more than enough time for a student to graduate.  FaceKhan, you're at it again - planting the seeds of doubt.  Good try.  To the person that started this thread, there is no excuse for posting private postings from the wwasp bbs no matter what.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2003, 11:20:00 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2003, 11:32:00 AM »
re: WWASP confidentiality agreements

Any contractual agreement made to conceal criminal activity is void as a matter of public policy (not mention simple morality).  Honoring a contractual agreement to conceal criminal activity is Conspiracy to commit that crime.  

WWASPs trots out these unfortunate inmates for the unabashed purpose of showing how "successful" they have been due to their adherence to the program.  In so doing, WWASPs itself compromised the inmates' claim to any right of privacy.

Once they have offered the inmate testimonial as evidence of their supposed success,  it is entirely appropriate for anyone having  knowledge of the falsity of the claim to come forward and refute it.  

Is this harsh on the inmate?  To be sure.  But weigh the costs and the benefits -- they use the testimonial to get more people to sign up for the $50,000 fix.  If the so-called successes are demonstratably the result of WWASPs coercive mind control tactics,  refuting the testimonial is the best way to prevent additional zombification of children.  Case closed.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2003, 02:31:00 PM »
i also received it in my email, karen is right they have old addresses. interesting that ken kay hasnt had anyone update it ofr him or maybe it was intentional.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2003, 11:37:00 PM »
I assumed it was false, because it is just too convenient a story. It is obviously been crafted as an anecdote designed to sell the program and reinforce the belief in wwasp for questioning parents. It also has very little to offer a person thinking rationally about the story. It does not convince me that either the kid who died needed wwasp or the kid who went needed it. It is just worded in such a way as to convince a distraught parent who is not thinking rationally.

The entire thing is designed as propoganda to elicit an emotional response leading to a logical fallacy where a would be wwasp parent gets the impression that wwasp can save any kid.
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2003, 12:13:00 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2003, 12:25:00 AM »
I agree.  It would be better to let the drugs, sex and rock  n roll (or rap??) run it's course.  They can always get their GED later if they survive the rest.  I allowed my kid to get into this mess, so I need to just stick it out, and never sleep because of what I created.  I'll never ask for help because when i did, it just got worse with his counselor and the school and the police.  It's my problem.  Nobody elses.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2003, 12:32:00 AM »
i guess so ya fuked up as a parent right?
what do you do now?
too much love?
ouch that must hurt alot...
no pleasure with out pain?
empathy is my only course for those looking for
the door of there own mistakes.

            i guess a condom broke.



                    right?!@##$^^&&%$^*%$$$
                 opps did i tell the truth?
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