sorry who
Dont appologize, lets take it slower, there is plenty of time.
When did we decide that we were distinguishing between wilderness programs and schools. Not me. I keeo calling tehm facilities because the words you use to descrie one part of them is a loaded word.
YOu just changed the rules.
If we were only talking about schools we would have a different list that started with the faculty of the schools and consinued with who accredited them, the licensed teacher to student ratio, and we would not have had thelength of stay item - we would have talked about graduation rates but I think you know that.
You are being dishonest, who
I was under the impression we were speaking about TBS’s.. remember? We compared them to nursing homes and you didn’t like the word (Therapeutic) in front of boarding schools because you felt it was misleading. If I thought you wanted to include wilderness I would have altered the list.
So at this point we can go back and start over and develop a list that satisfies both wilderness and TBS’s or we can continue and finish the TBS portion.
I am waiting who! It is tiem for the list, statistics etc.
Whoa!! Slow down MIS. Lets get the list(s) done first.
and while we are talking about dishonest lets see what you have done with the list.
I included an item that said - all staff that treat kids will be mandatory reporters of child abuse to the state where the abuse allegedly occured.
I put it in because the reporting of child abuse should be a core value.
Must have lost it when I moved it over.. I added it back in (see initial post).
It should be a core value because while you talk about helping your daughter ( an anecdote witha happy ending) I know of too many cases in which kids how were abused at home and developed problems as a result, primarily with their families. They were ,then sent to facilities where there real diagnosis- whatever it was called- was that they were there as a result of the bad choices they made and would be helped by making good choices at the facility and as they made good choices that showed compliance they owuld gradually get more privileges.- (does that sound familiar and therapeutic -who?).
That is an awful thing to do to a kid that has been abused. It doesn't lead to healing, and stabilization and all the other words you throw in because they sound medical but are just words-
Once you accept that what I have described happens and happens much too often to be acceptable then the weeding out of those kids and the identification and prosecution of the perpetrators has to be a core value that the facility educates their staff of adolescents sent away who sever ties with their parents on their 18th birthday out of anger or the percentage of kids that are cut off by their families because the facility told them they should (having rejected the facilities help) and you apparently can't tell me the number of families that feel helped and stabilized.
We can add items to our list which will help alleviate your (our) concern about the above problems.
TBS’s should be a safe haven for these children and work towards rebuilding their self esteem and strengthening the family ties.
So here's my question who
Where are the studies, statistics, etc that support the notion that what you call wildeness therapy cures any dsm illness
What are the facilities that follow the list we made so far?.
and one more thing who- please don't change the subject at the top so that it implies that there is an ideal tbs because that is dishonest too. let's agree to have us both use the word facility to describe these places because that does not incude a value judgment about them. hat sounds fair doesn't it who?
This didn’t start out as a wilderness discussion, go back and read from the beginning. Lets finish the TBS list and then move on to wilderness (don’t sweat it we can do both)…… in the mean time if there are any staff that are reading this they may be able to help with the information we need to compare schools to our list.
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