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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2007, 07:37:41 AM »
Quote from: ""concept of homosexuality""
Tweed and gayness go together like sushi and wasabi.  I am flattered to have a grand old fag like Sumnie counted among my promoters.  There is a special bond between an old english prof and a returning alum.  Ursus can fill you in on the details.

Kisses and a special squeeze,

Concept of Homosexuality


Yeah, fill me in on the details, Ursus. While you're at it, you can defend your statement that Sumner was a pedophile.

Mike
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2007, 08:35:43 AM »
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Being gay in a homophobic place would have explained Sumner's encouragement of diversity, his sympathy for the underdog, and his empathy for minority points of view.

I remember one class -- it was being held in the science lab; many non-science classes were held there, there being only so many classrooms -- and Sumner went off on a diversionary tangent about his growing up years.  He didn't go into specifics, rather talked about the cruelty and intolerance of youth, and finished up his little revelatory bit by saying if he had to live it all over again, he would never go back.  He repeated the last phrase for emphasis, shaking his head in negation:  "NEVER go back."  At that point, he whipped his head up and stared right at me sitting at the back.  I was afraid to look away.  I knew exactly what he was talking about, and he knew that I knew and perhaps intended me to.

Consequently, not specifically because of that moment, although it certainly crystallized it for me in memory, I always felt very protective of Sumner and tended to only see his positive side.  It wasn't 'till years later, when one of those returning alums confided in me, that I began to see the larger picture.  Even then, I did not want to believe it at first myself.  But other inconsistencies with my former picture also began to emerge, incidents of toadying and untruths spoken, etc.  And more, but I am not going to go into that here right now.

I think the climate Sumner endured whilst growing up certainly did a number on him, and may well have stigmatized him for life.  And I don't think it helped being at Hyde.  But it does not excuse what he did to others, it merely helps explain why he was the way he was.  I don't think I am being disloyal to Sumner's memory by acknowledging the damage he did to others by preying on their vulnerabilities, should they have been hapless enough to return to the old stomping ground.  Rather, I am exploring yet one more facet of the blatant hypocrisy of Hyde's niche in the character-development market.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2007, 08:44:48 AM »
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Incidentally, in one seminar we were asked to raise our hand if we had had at least one homosexual experience. Of us thirty or so students aged 14-18, nearly everyone raised their hand. It was a revelation for me, a real Kinsey report.

Yeah, I can remember a seminar like that.  I also remember leading-up-to discussion stipulated that the characterization of "a homosexual experience" included being approached by a homosexual, knowing someone who was a homosexual, or having ever had a homosexual thought, even if along the lines of "wonder what it's like."  One of our classmates was then currently being persecuted by the entire school for claiming they were a homosexual and that's just the way it naturally was for them, so I raised my hand.
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2007, 08:46:44 AM »
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Being gay in a homophobic place would have explained Sumner's encouragement of diversity, his sympathy for the underdog, and his empathy for minority points of view.
I remember one class -- it was being held in the science lab; many non-science classes were held there, there being only so many classrooms -- and Sumner went off on a diversionary tangent about his growing up years.  He didn't go into specifics, rather talked about the cruelty and intolerance of youth, and finished up his little revelatory bit by saying if he had to live it all over again, he would never go back.  He repeated the last phrase for emphasis, shaking his head in negation:  "NEVER go back."  At that point, he whipped his head up and stared right at me sitting at the back.  I was afraid to look away.  I knew exactly what he was talking about, and he knew that I knew and perhaps intended me to.

Consequently, not specifically because of that moment, although it certainly crystallized it for me in memory, I always felt very protective of Sumner and tended to only see his positive side.  It wasn't 'till years later, when one of those returning alums confided in me, that I began to see the larger picture.  Even then, I did not want to believe it at first myself.  But other inconsistencies with my former picture also began to emerge, incidents of toadying and untruths spoken, etc.  And more, but I am not going to go into that here right now.

I think the climate Sumner endured whilst growing up certainly did a number on him, and may well have stigmatized him for life.  And I don't think it helped being at Hyde.  But it does not excuse what he did to others, it merely helps explain why he was the way he was.  I don't think I am being disloyal to Sumner's memory by acknowledging the damage he did to others by preying on their vulnerabilities, should they have been hapless enough to return to the old stomping ground.  Rather, I am exploring yet one more facet of the blatant hypocrisy of Hyde's niche in the character-development market.


Ursus,

I am not interested in your telepathic episode with Sumner. Every schizophrenic who writes in many voices has such episodes. I am interested in hard facts and evidence. Either defend your claims that Sumner was a homosexual and, moreover, a homosexual pedophile while a Hyde, or shut up. I think you are disgusting, not to say extremely sick, to trash people's reputations on the basis of your unfounded and unsubstantiated innuendoes and suggestions.

Mike
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2007, 08:49:05 AM »
"By His passion shall ye know Him."

ergo

By his passion shall ye know him.
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 08:53:25 AM »
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By his passion shall ye know him.


Ursus,

If you are suggesting I am gay or even had such an experience, you are wrong. If you are suggesting that I think you are a lying, dishonest, underhanded, maipulative psychotic, you are right.

I am still waiting for your defense.

Mike
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 09:25:41 AM »
I was actually talking about you, and not in the least bit "suggestive" about anything.  You fling out a lot of hostile names -- enraged 'cuz your mentor and ally turned out to be a human being, a real mixed bag, just like the rest of us -- and you just have to try to discredit me by calling me a liar, dishonest, underhanded, a "maipulative psychotic," possibly even schizophrenic.  You tell me to "shut up."  You deliberately misquote me along with that lemonparty link and attempt to convey the lie that I post porn.  And if nobody notices that you've done this, you have to bring it up until people do.  Incidentally, that is called libel.  Whenever you disagree with someone or wish to disparage them, you call them "Ursus."  You follow and stalk me wherever I post on this forum, not just here on Hyde board.

Wow.  That's a lot of heat, Mike, a lot of passion.  I don't think I've ever said anything to you to warrant that kind of attention.  Makes me wonder about you.  By his passion shall ye know him.
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 09:29:52 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
I was actually talking about you, and not in the least bit "suggestive" about anything.  You fling out a lot of hostile names -- enraged 'cuz your mentor and ally turned out to be a human being, a real mixed bag, just like the rest of us -- and you just have to try to discredit me by calling me a liar, dishonest, underhanded, a "maipulative psychotic," possibly even schizophrenic.  You tell me to "shut up."  You deliberately misquote me along with that lemonparty link and attempt to convey the lie that I post porn.  And if nobody notices that you've done this, you have to bring it up until people do.  Incidentally, that is called libel.  Whenever you disagree with someone or wish to disparage them, you call them "Ursus."  You follow and stalk me wherever I post on this forum, not just here on Hyde board.

Wow.  That's a lot of heat, Mike, a lot of passion.  I don't think I've ever said anything to you to warrant that kind of attention.  Makes me wonder about you.  By his passion shall ye know him.


Ursus,

You are schizophrenic. Do you want a second opinion? Okay, you are paranoid.

If you don't like the heat, don't play with fire. I'll libel until you prove to me that you aren't libelling Sumner, among others.

I am still waiting for your defense.

Mike
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 09:37:33 AM »
I fucked your mother, Mike...

She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 09:48:44 AM »
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I fucked your mother, Mike...

She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: :wave:
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2007, 04:40:04 PM »
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"]You are schizophrenic. Do you want a second opinion? Okay, you are paranoid.

If you don't like the heat, don't play with fire. I'll libel until you prove to me that you aren't libelling Sumner, among others.

I am still waiting for your defense.

Mike

this is why i dont like t post here. morons like this :roll:
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2007, 05:49:59 PM »
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I fucked your mother, Mike...

She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!


  Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater.  "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all."  How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.  

   The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2007, 11:35:05 PM »
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I fucked your mother, Mike...

She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!
Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater.  "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all."  How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.  

The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.

Well, I'll be a sulphur-fartin' monkey's uncle!!! If it ain't good friends and fambly from Maine, har har har!!!  Yer loyalty has me tickled pink right down to my toesies.  An' tryin' their bestest ta sound like my main man red-legged Del Geg!!!  Oooo-weee! Gimmee sum mo of that smelly cheese to go with these fries, har har!!

Nobody said nuttin' 'bout lil boys, my dears!  It's called a MIND FUCK fer a reason, and ol' Sumnie liked a little more mind to give it the old shaft, if ya catch my drift, Har-de-har-har-har!!!!

Tooo much, babycakes!!!  Glad ta have ya on board!!!

Gettin' all my Mainahs ta visit the forniscators,
Joseph W. Gauld, The Educator
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2007, 11:58:01 PM »
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I fucked your mother, Mike...

She sucked me off first, ya crazy bastard!

  Is that really the best you can do? This brings to mind the Firesign Theater.  "How can you be in two places at once when you are really no where at all."  How can you in one instance in contact with returning alums and be excommunicated from the school.  

   The claims that ol' Sumnie molested little boys holds as much water at the assertion that you did Mike's mom.


Friend,

Thank you for not remaining neutral.

Mike
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2007, 11:59:35 PM »
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Well, Sumner was one of the offending sexual predators, and considered by some (depending on the source you read), one of the founders of Hyde School, along with Joe Gauld, of course.

I believe the consortium you are looking for will be made up of many souls, who perhaps share a golfing past time, or who sell real estate amongst each other.  Perhaps even antique furniture?  And there will be an attorney or two thrown in there, for sure...


Ursus,

Now you're Joe Gauld? You've finally found your true calling in life.

I'm still waiting for your defense.

Mike
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