On 2003-07-06 17:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
I had recomended Pathway to two separate families who were having problems involving drug use at least to investigate if they could help them. Both were told that their child was not involved enough in drug use to be candidates for Pathway.
Translation: No money and/or at least one parent was too smart to be suckered in.
On 2003-07-06 17:17:00, Anonymous
It sounds like there were no safeguards on your program. I am sorry for that.
What a load! I've heard from several PFC graduates with the same story. I've read the "signs of addiction" and called the place with a sad, sad story about a 13yo daughter who yells at me, wears too much makeup and keeps secrets. Guess what? According to whoever took the call (you, maybe?) my darling little ficticious daughter was very, VERY likely experiencing the "early stages" of the "disease of addiction." One think I learned in the Program that really has proven to be true; ya' can't shit a shitter.
I needed no more proof that my child needed help I was unable to give on my own and I acted in his best interest. This unselfish act has saved my child's life and afforded him a "chance" to sort out life in time. That has happened, or at least to a far greater extent than I had not acted.
Oh, puh-leeez! spare me the self agrandizement. Do you have any evidence, aside from your very subjective anecdotes to support your stayed belief that 1) your son would not have learned from his mistakes and been just fine, just like 99% of other high school kids who puke and pass out at some point or that 2) PFC's methods do more good than harm?
If PFC is comepletely different from what it was before the name change, then I guess you're sophisticated enough to get with the 20th century and draw on long term outcome studies, right? You look at a large group of kids with similar demographic backgrounds and issues. You select similar numbers of these study subjects from those who went through different programs and a control group who went through no program. And then you compare, 6 months, a year, 5 years down the road, how things turned out for them.
Is that something like how you base your claim that PFC is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Or do you do just like they did in the old days; blame the 90% failure rating on primal flaws in those individuals? Or, better yet! Start a rumor going around that the kid who's complaing is pushing crack on everyone who talks to them. Then get them all in the intake room and piss test them. At the least, they'll all be afraid to talk to him and so they and their parents won't hear any criticizm of the Program. And maybe, if you're lucky, you can get one or more of them to break under pressure, implicate the kid and thereby discredit another critic. Then treat yourself to a nice boston cream pie or something for a job well done, right?
Do tell?
No one could convince me that what I did was worse than the death of my child.
The question is, how did you come to regard your son as dead? Lady, you have been scammed on a grand scale.
Most of what I read in here about Pathway is anger that 1 they could not afford it which is not my problem or that of Pathways.
I haven't read one post about anyone complaining they couldn't afford it. People who don't have anything worth stealing generally don't make good marks to begin with. I've seen a lot of people posting that it wasn't worth the money. You sound like one of those guys who calls a girl a lezbo if she turns him down. :rofl:
2. They failed to complete the program because they wanted to do what they wanted to do when they wanted to do it.
Oh wise and omnicient hugs! Please, honor us with the secret of your all-knowing-ness! How in the hell do you prepose to know why anyone has done anything they have done? It's not asif you're allowed to talk with people who leave your cult and find out what they were thinking.
To them I say life will have nothing but turmoil as long as it is approached with such uncaring for one's self and others.
Your reality check has just bounced. One of these poor souls for whom you pretend to feel such empathy and compassion is too busy pulling a 3.70 in college to triffle with the likes of you. Most people who get their families the hell out of these mad houses before too long get themselves back together pretty well. And, in the interest of historic perspective, that's always been the case.
Fred Collins, one of the first to successfully sue your cult for a substantial sum, used it to pay for tuition to finish his Doctorate at mathamatics at Stanford. A good many posters to these forums could buy and sell your whole block without thinking about it, and most of those did it on their own, without even average family support, because their programmed parents were not about to become "enablers" to bad, bad, druggie children who weren't following their programs.
3. They completed the program and did what they did to get thru it and never use the opportunity given to look at themselves. If they have done this and remained clear of drugs and alcohol then God Bless. If life is still very troubling, I hope for your sake you attend N.A. or A.A. meetings and reach out for the help you can get.
In other words, the Program never fails, it's perfect like God. Is that it? But it's not a cult, no!!! :rofl:
In my earlier postings I went thru the methods I used to select a program. It does not sound to me that I acted with malice.
No, just rank stupidity.
The result is that my child is here, smile, is happy, communicates feelings,solves problems better than before the experience.
STILL no evidence to suggest that he wouldn't have been here, happy and communicating. But here's the kicker. He could do all of those things right now, every day, with admirable competence, grace and poise, but if he steps to you one day and say "Mom, there are some things about the program that are just messed up" Oh My God!!!! No!!!! he'll be a loser, in your eyes. And God forbid he ever have a drink of champaign to ring in the new year! He could corner the software market, move in next to Bill Gates, have a loving family and kids, but if he drinks or smokes a join, he loses your affection and acceptance. How can you people NOT see how utterly fucked up that is?
So I will end here tonight. I am sad and upset. My child been reaching out to another at N.A. to keep coming to meetings who had been fighting this disease without much help from her parents. She hung herself last night at home. I wonder....... no... it is not my place.
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Exactly. An awful lot of Program people seem to do that. Funny, I went to school with hundreds of other kids, some with serious family problems, most did drugs at some point. And yet, not a single one has offed themselves in the over 20 years since. I wish I could say that about the people I saw go through the Program.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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