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Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI
TheWho:
Deborah Wrote:
--- Quote --- Apparently more than name, date, time.
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I did indicate more than Name, date and time. Maybe you missed it.
Here it is again:
TheWho wrote:
--- Quote --- What a log typically wants to document is “Student name”, Time, location, date and a brief description or check box indicating if the call was successful/completed or not.
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These are typical logs. Each place of business adds or diminishes as they see fits best for their business.
--- Quote --- Is that a problem? It would be interesting to see what notes were jotted down to bring up in "group". Also interesting to know how that's handled in/by group.
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It may or may not be interesting… could be comments like “Distressed after call home” , “Phone call didn’t go well based on attitude afterwards”. I think knowing that a child is having difficulty it should not be left to fester quietly and it would be a good heads up to the child’s counselor that he/she isn’t feeling too well after “Home contact” and may need to talk or deal with an issue that has risen to the top.
I know many may feel the phone call home can be no big deal (just let them be ), but many kids struggle with this and can be a big issue. There are many issues that can arise, conflicts that have not been touched upon before or newly emerging emotions. I think it would be irresponsible to place a child in a situation like this without someone nearby for support if they need it.
As far as regulation is concerned, I am all for it. It makes things more difficult for the school but from a parents and child’s perspective it can help in some areas.
Deborah:
Actually, psy provided the link to that message in a response to Who.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 647#255647
Who doesn't always bother following the discussion. He prefers to shoot from the hip with his responses. One time as expert, then a know-nothing, when a question comes up he doesn't want to respond to.
BTW, thinking this thread should be split from this post:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 542#255542
and move it to the Aspen forum.
Anyone disagree?
Troll Control:
Well, I've had some free time today (been out sick with that nasty bronchitis going around), so I decided to follow up on my own with ASR about their abuse hotline, or lack thereof as it were.
So I called up there posing as a parent wanting to enroll my kid but having "a few questions about policies" and such. I was passed from the operator to a very pleasant sounding administrative-type person named "Kara".
After some more or less idle chit-chat, I asked "How often can my son call home?" The reply was "Once weekly, with his counselor."
I then asked "Can he talk to me in private on the phone without a counselor listening?" The reply was "That's not our policy. In our experience, unmonitored contact just leads to a bunch of manipulation, crying, yelling and things like that. We don't view that as productive."
I then asked "What if something happens to him - he gets in a fight or has an accident or something?" The reply was "In that case, you'll be contacted by his counselor to let you know what's going on."
Finally, having laid the groundwork, I popped the question: "I have read a lot of stuff on the internet about kids being abused by staff at residential facilities and it worries me. Will my son have access to a phone to report any abuses? Sorry, I don't mean to sound paranoid or anything - you came highly recommended to me. But, say something did happen?" The answer: "We don't provide phones for student use. Something like that would be reported to his counselor who would then take the appropriate steps to address it."
So, there you have it, people. No unmonitored calls and no access to an abuse hotline at ASR.
Hey, Deb, can we get these posts moved over to the ASR thread? It's valuable information that won't be seen when searching here for ASR information... (EDIT) I was thinking the same thing myself, Deb. Good idea to move it!
Thanks for encouraging me to call and find out for myself, Who. It was well worth the time!
TheWho:
That’s funny I asked the same thing and spoke with Millie or Mollie?. Here is what I got:
asked "How often can my daughter call home?" The reply was "Once weekly, sometimes more but we schedule it on a weekly basis.
I asked if she could talk to me in a private area and I was told, no. The phones calls are made in an area with others, although the students can talk freely there is a counselor present in the room.
She never spoke to me about manipulation, crying, yelling etc. as DJ indicated (From a business perspective this would never be said, not good for business, these are potential customers, it has to be kept positive)
I asked if my daughter could contact me in an emergency and she said “yes. Her counselor would contact you and then you would speak to you daughter”.
I knew the answer already because this already happened to me when my daughter attended.
I ask if they had access to a phone at night, no they did not, emergencies would be reported to the night staff in charge and they would make the decision.
Don’t want 100 pizzas showing up a 2 a.m. I guess (ha,Ha,). Sorry, but I was a teenager once and I know this would be done.
So good try DJ, you were partially right. The restricted phone access is there for a reason and part of that reason is to keep the kids safe.
Troll Control:
So you're saying Kara is a liar then? Hmmmmm... Interesting. Even when ASR's own personnel says something that doesn't add up to what you've been pushing you call them liars.
Anyway, we have established that there is no mechanism for reporting abuse at ASR and kids have no access to an abuse hotline as required by law.
Glad to clear that up. Even the Who agrees - no abuse hotline, no unmonitored calls, no access to phones unless explicitly directed by staff. Good.
BTW, I already debunked you "pizza story" earlier in the thread. Any telecom guy or gal, at the cost of about $40, can install a dedicated line that rings to only one number, like the state abuse hotline for example, so, once more, that story is pure hogwash.
Now, let's examine this, Who: Let's say, for argument's sake that a kid's very own counselor sexually abuses him/her. ASR's plan, as you verified with them like I did, is to have that child report the abuse directly to the person that perpetrated it.
This is downright scary and paves the road for child abuse. I would avoid this facility at all costs. It's dangerous!
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