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Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI
psy:
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--- Quote --- bla bla bla.. You think these places practice positive re-enforcement!??!?!
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I realize every place is different and I cannot speak to where you attended but on one of my visits to ASR we headed back to my daughters room, which was quite nice, she shared it with three other girls, they had their own bath. There was a table in the middle and she pulled out some dominos and we played, shot the breeze while waiting to join the other kids after dinner for a movie (I think they showed a movie every Sunday night). Anyway I noticed the bed next to my daughters was covered with sticky notes and I kind of walked over and they all said little words of encouragement, like “Good luck!!”, Know you can do it” etc. I asked my daughter what that was all about and she said her room mate had a history exam the next day (which was oral) and she had always be afraid of being called upon in school so this was a milestone for her to stand up in front of class. The notes were from students as well as staff members. They really cared for each other there and the staff/ counselors were always supportive as each child met and tackled each challenge.
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With you reporting to the staff... do you really expect them to be open and honest about how they feel about program... Please. I remember parent visits. You had to be positive if you didn't want to get consequences.. I would just love that question: how do you like it here.. I understand Jimmy here loves it. What's your favorite part of program. You HAD to bullshit. You couldn't trust anybody.
Say if your daughter had said something to you about what might have actually been happening... and it shocked you. Provided she was convincing enough for you to get you to question the official line of thought, where would you have gone to confirm the allegation? Well you would probably have gone to staff directly, who would have told you it was a manipulation, laughed at it, told you "well that's a good one.. hahaha".. and then when you leave, your daughter would have gotten in some serious shit... Eventually, they might even be able to convince her that what she saw as "abusive" really wasn't. After all, she was a master manipulator. What's black is white if you believe hard enough. YOU DON'T LEAVE unless you believe it.
How would your daughter know not to report? Well she might have tried with you, had you dismiss it as "manipulative" and given up on turning to you for support. When you go to your own parent, asking for help, and they turn you down, who else do you have to turn to. Nobody. Hope dies.
But what if she never tried? She might have seen what happend to others who tried (or was warned)... or she might have not trusted you enough in the first place (after all, you sent her there, and staff emphasize over and over that parents have full knowledge of what goes on(i, for one, know they don't)).
Come on... When you control communication you can pretty much portray either party in whatever light you want. If you really want to make up with your daughter, ask her to tell her story of what happend to her. And don't say "that's absurd, or, you're exaggerating", or you'll lose her.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---You place a child into a safe environment
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No evidence to show TBS's are safe.
--- Quote ---and provide them with therapy
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Or force therapy on them.
--- Quote ---most children will eventually work on their issues and grow.
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Most children? Then why isnt there a single independent study showing these places do anything they claim to do?
--- Quote ---I agree, that if you dig your heels in for 16 months you are not going to benefit from the stay there.
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Or if youre abused you are not going to benefit from the stay their either.
TheWho:
psy wrote:
--- Quote ---With you reporting to the staff... do you really expect them to be open and honest about how they feel about program... Please. I remember parent visits. You had to be positive if you didn't want to get consequences.. I would just love that question: how do you like it here.. I understand Jimmy here loves it. What's your favorite part of program. You HAD to bullshit. You couldn't trust anybody.
Say if your daughter had said something to you about what might have actually been happening... and it shocked you. Provided she was convincing enough for you to get you to question the official line of thought, where would you have gone to confirm the allegation? Well you would probably have gone to staff directly, who would have told you it was a manipulation, laughed at it, told you "well that's a good one.. hahaha".. and then when you leave, your daughter would have gotten in some serious shit... Eventually, they might even be able to convince her that what she saw as "abusive" really wasn't. After all, she was a master manipulator. What's black is white if you believe hard enough. YOU DON'T LEAVE unless you believe it.
How would your daughter know not to report? Well she might have tried with you, had you dismiss it as "manipulative" and given up on turning to you for support. When you go to your own parent, asking for help, and they turn you down, who else do you have to turn to. Nobody. Hope dies.
But what if she never tried? She might have seen what happend to others who tried (or was warned)... or she might have not trusted you enough in the first place (after all, you sent her there, and staff emphasize over and over that parents have full knowledge of what goes on(i, for one, know they don't)).
Come on... When you control communication you can pretty much portray either party in whatever light you want. If you really want to make up with your daughter, ask her to tell her story of what happend to her. And don't say "that's absurd, or, you're exaggerating", or you'll lose her.
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At the place you went to that might have been the case, psy,but it just wasn’t like that at ASR. I am sure if a parent was told by their child that they were beating me or haven’t been fed in a week there would be some back lash and the school wouldn’t be happy with the kids making up stories like that. But if the kid was that unhappy to the level they needed to tell stories to that degree they would probably just leave anyway walk out or leave the program.
I asked my daughter if she thought ASR was abusive and she “no”. Where there parts you thought were bordering on abusive and she said “no”. I asked her if she could go back to the day she started and change one thing about ASR what would it be. She thought for a moment and finally said the phone calls. We only got to talk 20 minutes a week or twice a week but she wished it could have been longer. Did people listen in to their calls? No, there was a counselor present when the kids were calling home. I actually used the phones they used and it was in an open area there was a table which was partitioned off so 4 to six kids could talk at once. The counselor was in the room to intervene in case any major conflicts broke out or the child needed support. We talk about her time at ASR periodically, I may bring it up from time to time based on things I hear on fornits and she brings it up if she hears from a friend in her old peer group. So the topic isn’t avoided and is far from a sore or uncomfortable subject for us.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Did people listen in to their calls? No, there was a counselor present when the kids were calling home.
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In common terms this is called "monitored contact," quite obviously "listening in"; your statement is self-contradicting. If children were not allowed to use the phone for unmonitored contact, it is a violation of their right to report abuse unfettered. Not to mention that the law requires a free line for any student to use at any time for the purpose of reporting abuse.
How could you possibly know anyway if there were a station out of the room dedicated to monitoring every call, as in the places where I worked? Answer: you couldn't. Just more speculation placed out as fact...
TheWho:
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--- Quote ---Did people listen in to their calls? No, there was a counselor present when the kids were calling home.
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In common terms this is called "monitored contact," quite obviously "listening in"; your statement is self-contradicting. If children were not allowed to use the phone for unmonitored contact, it is a violation of their right to report abuse unfettered. Not to mention that the law requires a free line for any student to use at any time for the purpose of reporting abuse.
How could you possibly know anyway if there were a station out of the room dedicated to monitoring every call, as in the places where I worked? Answer: you couldn't. Just more speculation placed out as fact...
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There were situations where kids were working out problems with family members and the child could get hurt or need support. The area wasn’t like a phone booth, it was set up like some of the testing areas they would have in some schools where you couldn’t see the person across from you and there was a partition in between each child and a phone for each section. So the kids could talk without hearing each other. I would consider it private (When I was speaking on the phone there were people in the room and I felt they couldn’t hear me.) She said there was a counselor in the room doing paper work or what ever, but not sitting next to you. He was there in case he was needed.
I guess it is possible the phones were wire tapped but that could occur or be applied anywhere. When I went in to use the phone the door was not locked. There might have been other phones in other areas of the school, I didn’t ask.
--- Quote --- Not to mention that the law requires a free line for any student to use at any time for the purpose of reporting abuse
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I am not saying they do or do not meet this requirement, as you stated. With the door being unlocked this may cover the requirement, though, and it is off of a general area, so kids could get to it if needed fairly easily.
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