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Deborah:
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--- Quote --- Fact. You can read about the field test and the sadistic and neglectful treatment of Ian here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 136#235136
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I traced it back and it is based on interviews of anonymous people or “Guests” as we call them here. Like you said they could be sitting right next to you, we don’t know. LSE Counselor is just as credible.
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Blatant lie. This article is based on dozens of interviews in Oklahoma, Texas and Utah. Scenes and dialogue about the events leading to Ian August's death are taken from a transcript of the 9-1-1 call to the Millard County Sheriff's Office; a timeline constructed by Skyline Journey; a transcript of the preliminary hearing in Utah v. Mark Wardle, Leigh Hale and WOW Developments; Skyline Journey daily progress reports kept up to July 13, 2002; witness statements; incident reports filed by the Millard County Sheriff's Office; and a journal kept by Ian August.
Oz girl:
The surprising thing about Ian August's death is not that he died but that he was the only one. What did they expect would happen when they forced kids to hike through tough terrain in such high
temperatures? I was shocked that they would entertain such a ridiculous notion but this is what happens when the on the ground staff have absolutely no education in the area because they are not required to! The fact that the on the gruond staff are paid so shittily so that anyone with 1/2 a brain would not want to take the job speaks volumes about the mentality of the industry.
What it would say to me if i were a parent was that while i am willing to pay 15000 for Aspen to help my kid, the company does not see that it is worth hriing professionals to work with the kid in a daily basis. Who you recon it would be ok with you to put highschool educated staff directly in charge of your child as long as htey have good 1st aid skills. Apparently they do not even have this though. The "Aspen staffer" who posted here said they thought the boy was joking. well it seems they often do! Perhaps the 1st aid training should include an emphasis on eternal vigilance. But as this is at odds with the tough love model I dont hold my breath.
Nature sure taught these kids a lesson about "natural consequences"
TheWho:
I can guarantee that corporate got involved immediately and told LSE that they didn’t want to see anything but “Asses and elbows” until the root cause was determined and the appropriate corrective action was put in place so that this would never happen again.
I am sure many changes have taken place to their process fairly quickly once they determined the root cause of Ians death, whether it was attributed to the heat, stopping of medication, lack of training, preexisting condition or a combination of all of them. No corporation is going to allow kids to die and just say “Oh, well it wasn’t our fault, sue me”.
From a business perspective I am sure they have made every effort to resolve this issue.
Oz girl:
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From a business perspective I am sure they have made every effort to resolve this issue.
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This is in a nutshell the probelm with a for profit industry of this nature. A company is always first and foremost accountable to the shareholders. Otherwise there is no point. It seems also that many places clean up their act after the fact. This simply is not good enough.
The problem is with the whole philosophy behind it. subjecting someone to in the case of wilderness 6 weeks or so of physical and emotional discomfort will do one of 2 things. it will break them and create a "perfect kid" or it will incite rebellion. When it does this it becomes a vicious circle because the kid wont go along without penalty. (even if the penalty is no help when needed as opposed to physical force) This means staff decide they "wont give in" which then becomes a recepie for disaster. Usually if a kid is continuously faking to go home it is likely to be because they are horribly miserable. The staff are going to assume they are faking at all times so that when they become genuinely ill staff are too busy questioning the nefarious motives of a miserable kid to get help. What a fabulously functional and helpful environment for a difficult and pained youngster! How loving their view of adults must become!
TheWho:
Oz Girl wrote:
--- Quote --- This is in a nutshell the probelm with a for profit industry of this nature. A company is always first and foremost accountable to the shareholders. Otherwise there is no point. It seems also that many places clean up their act after the fact. This simply is not good enough.
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I agree 100%, look at the auto industry. They have been trailing the Asian market for decades and are playing catch-up. They didn’t learn their lesson on emissions and labor costs and now find themselves years behind the Asians again on hybrid cars.
Companies need to be more proactive instead of reacting to problems as they occur and fixing things after it is too late.
--- Quote ---Usually if a kid is continuously faking to go home it is likely to be because they are horribly miserable. The staff are going to assume they are faking at all times so that when they become genuinely ill staff are too busy questioning the nefarious motives of a miserable kid to get help.
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This is one of the areas where the mindset needs to change. Whether thru training or process because I agree, if a kid cries wolf long enough even the best of people are going to turn a deaf ear or react just slow enough to allow a problem to manifest or get out of hand. Not sure what the answer is but I am sure it is being looked at.
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