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Deborah:
--- Quote ---Whether thru training or process because I agree, if a kid cries wolf long enough even the best of people are going to turn a deaf ear or react just slow enough to allow a problem to manifest or get out of hand.
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Who are you "agreeing" with? No one said that.
And No, it's not being looked at, and won't be until program owners/staff start serving prison time for denying kids basic needs and medical attention. Until the window of loss is closed.
What you refuse to acknowledge is that they are trained, in the program's methods. As in the case of Ian August, the head staff was an EMT. But, she chose to defer to the programs method for flushing out fakers rather than professionally access his physical condition and act appropriately.
In Aaron Bacon's case, they still assumed he was faking when he was shitting himself and couldn't stand erect.
Staff let Gina Score lay on the ground 3 hours, dying, because they thought she was faking.
As with Michelle Sutton who was vomitting most of the water she drank.
I could go on, time doesn't allow.
sick of child torture girl:
the thing is.. program staff really dont think kids are faking ..they know something is wrong with them. What they think is that whatever is wrong with them isnt bad enough to kill them. They let the children suffer permanent disabliity, and violating body breakdown becasue that is PART of the breaking process.
Afterall, that way the kid is weaker, more supple, more completely dominated and humiliated -more easy to exploit.The kid accepts his new sub human place in life by realizing that he is undeservng of medical attention like a cheap slave or an abused unloved dog
The only problem for them occurs when the kid does die and they deal with negitive attention or maybe ...charges agasint them!!(so unfari).
This is where their belief in natural causes bs comes into play..after all they made 1000 other kids sick in the same fashion and they pulled through! What they dont understand, becasue they are uneducated morons or willfully complicit authority figures, is that the law of average, means that if you say infect 1000
kids with Barynatis only 5 of them will die, the rest will pull thourgh however wounded. However that does not mean that the 5 that did die, died of natural causes. No, child murderers, they died becasue you shot them up with Barynatis
Likewise, without going into the grautious abuse of denying meds or not listeing when a kid say they are sick, when forcing kids to march, a child dying is murder.
When you "force" a group of people to engage in heavy marching, some of them are going to die. Inevitably someone will be pushed past their limit and perish.and when that happens..its murder plain and simple.
NO WHERE ELSE IN THE WOLD ARE PEOPLE FOCED TO MARCH EXCEPT PEOPLES INVOLVED IN EXPLUSION FROM COMMUNITIES. The jews dealt with it, the native americans dealt with it. The perversity and deceptiveness invlved in selling kidnapping and the reenaction of prgrom as therapy is mind boggling
And even when the kid does die. Unless he is writing a journal (they dont burn) or if its on video and they have a dedicated parent willing to do whatever it takes to get charges filed, they'll still get away with it. But you know that wont go on forever ..all it takes is one decent D.A. A reform minded fed....tic toc tic toc
hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I can guarantee that corporate got involved immediately and told LSE that they didn’t want to see anything but “Asses and elbows” until the root cause was determined and the appropriate corrective action was put in place so that this would never happen again.
I am sure many changes have taken place to their process fairly quickly once they determined the root cause of Ians death, whether it was attributed to the heat, stopping of medication, lack of training, preexisting condition or a combination of all of them. No corporation is going to allow kids to die and just say “Oh, well it wasn’t
our fault, sue me”.
From a business perspective I am sure they have made every effort to resolve this issue.
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It's the lawsuit, the bad press(resulting in loss money) that drives pseudo-change that only goes skin deep(name/state change or some such) not the fact that kids die. If they truly cared about the kids they wouldn't be so quick to cover their asses with lame excuses like "rare heart defect".
Lets stroll through ISAC's program-related death's page
* Giovanni Aletriz
February 4, 2006
16 year-old Giovanni Aletriz died after being restrained at Summit Quest in Pennsylvania.
The coroner ruled that Giovanni had an enlarged heart and died from "natural" causes.
However, the state Department of Public Welfare placed Summit Quest on a six-month provisional license after an investigation revealed significant health and safety concerns for the children at the facility.
* James White
December 12, 2005
James White, age 17, also died at Summit Quest in Pennsylvania.
The coroner ruled that James, like Giovanni, had an enlarged heart and died from "natural" causes.
* Willie Durden
October 13, 2005
Willie Durden, age 17, died at the Cypress Creek Juvenile Offender Corrections Center in Citrus County, Florida.
Willie had no pulse when guards found him in his cell.
They did not call for help right away because they thought he was "faking."
An autopsy showed Willie had an enlarged heart.
* Linda Harris
September 18, 2005
Linda Harris, age 12, died while being forcibly taken to a "time out" room at Chad Youth Enhancement Center in Tennessee.
The coroner attributed Linda's death to a heart attack.
Witnesses have said that Linda was "improperly restrained" at the time of her death.
Wow four heart problems three enlarged two at the same facility.... We should also remember that in the Anderson case the coroner originally said that Anderson died of a natural cause-Sickle Cell Anemia. However a second coroner ruled his death a homicide. The only reason why Anderson got looked over twice was because the video taped showed his murders and they weren't demon blood cells.
To have two kids die at the same program from this "heart condition" in less then 3 months smells of pure bullshit. The record of the industry not withstanding it's safe to assume that they care more for the pocketbook then the kid and ass covering certainly protects the pocketbook but lets two kids die in less then 3 months.
Also, Deborah hit it right on the head in regard to the medically trained staff. How can a medically trained staff turn off that medical training during the everyday abuse and then turn it on during "real emergencies"?
Oz girl:
I think you have have misinterpreted my post Who. i did not say that if a kid cries wolf for long enough they will eventually be hurt. What i said was that some kids probably do exaggerate symptoms because they are desperately miserable. The focus of the on the ground staff who are often young and clueless on catching kids out or seeing how far they can push them as opposed to helping them. So the miserable deteriorate and the ill dont get help. They die of "natural causes"
I am sure anyone who has worked with kids of any age has come across "sick" as opposed to medically ill from time to time. Compassionate, smart experienced aduls dont accuse either of these kids of being fakers. They swiftly and throughly check all kids, call someone with greater expertise if in any doubt and if it is a basic first aid matter tend to it themselves.
In the event that the kids does not need medical treatment what they usually need is a bit of attention and kindness rather than being forced to push themselves. This is often what has lead to the meltdown in the first place! How many first years at normal boarding school go to the infirmary teary and home sick? or kids at summer camps develop "tummy aches" just after getting a letter from mum? You rarely hear the matron tell them they are liars who need to get over it but this is the prevalent attitude of an industry which claims on almost every website that it takes manipulative kids!
perhaps if the wilderness industry took only kids who volunteered, was non profit and employed professionals who did not view emotional pain or substance abuse as moral failure the wilderness side of this industry would do some good. Afterall some troubled kids do want help. But i cant think of any sane person who wants to be uncomforable, exhausted and isolated from any comforts in a bid to "get better"
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote ---Whether thru training or process because I agree, if a kid cries wolf long enough even the best of people are going to turn a deaf ear or react just slow enough to allow a problem to manifest or get out of hand.
--- End quote ---
Who are you "agreeing" with? No one said that.
And No, it's not being looked at, and won't be until program owners/staff start serving prison time for denying kids basic needs and medical attention. Until the window of loss is closed.
What you refuse to acknowledge is that they are trained, in the program's methods. As in the case of Ian August, the head staff was an EMT. But, she chose to defer to the programs method for flushing out fakers rather than professionally access his physical condition and act appropriately.
In Aaron Bacon's case, they still assumed he was faking when he was shitting himself and couldn't stand erect.
Staff let Gina Score lay on the ground 3 hours, dying, because they thought she was faking.
As with Michelle Sutton who was vomitting most of the water she drank.
I could go on, time doesn't allow.
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Is this another assumption? your opinion? or do you have a link to support that nothing is being worked on.
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