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Oz girl:
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I have never seen this series but I don’t put much faith in its sincerity. Members of Survivor which has been one of the strictest reality shows are starting to come out and admit some people were given toothbrushes, feminine items, soap etc. even though they had not earned the privilege. The women were encouraged to wear as little as possible and the camera people were instructed on what to shoot. So what you see is only what they want you to see to keep it interesting. If you stand out, throw a fit or play to the audience you will get more air time and become known, maybe earn a full scholarship to a TBS, like I believe one of them did I heard here. In Brat Camp if they only showed the kids sitting around the camp fire singing then the show would have been canceled after 2 weeks. I don’t know if this is everyone’s perception, did you feel the show was reflecting reality?
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I dont know. I know some of the things they did (the carts, impact letters etc were consistent with the things that survivors have complained of). i know Marcus described similar things about the wilderness component of ASR (now defunct) I know it makes no sense to claim you take kids who were caught with porn if this is not the case so in that respect the guy was likely to be truthful.
i think that both the kids and the staff at times performed for the camera. Particularly that cretin wayne winder. i also think the parents did their share of acting as well. But what i think Brat camp was truthful about was the mentality of the industry. Why would you boast about all the ways you make kids cry (WW) if you dont beielve this is a good thing? Why would you make a huge show of talking about how an athsmatic kid is typical of the little fakers you see regularly if you do not believe it to be true? I also think the series on TAR highlighted the idiocy of the staff at these places. You should bear in mind that the narrator was largely on the side of the staff as well. WHat i think brat camp did lie about was how miraculous the "turnaround" is for the kids. I note they made no mention of the fact that american kids often finish wilderness and go straight to TBS in a private paddy wagon either. What was most disturbing about brat camp was the spin it put on those program because it showed hideous treatment of kids but encouraged strongly the idea that this was a good thing.
I note too you did not answer the question. i know this is something you are not fond of. Do you beleive the behaviours I initially listed are right or appropriate?
TheWho:
Aspen gets final say on what gets released and I am sure the announcers take the staffs side on details. Although it is not true that the kids are taken from wilderness to a TBS by paddy wagon, to my knowledge. Here are some thoughts in regards to your list.
--- Quote ----The director of redcliff claimed on international tv that they take both hardcore kids on their way to jail and kids who have been caught watching a dirty movie. We all know a boy can make himself go blind doing this but how will he end up dead or in jail?
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Good question, Really dont know. I wouldnt send my child away for watching HBO movies. Its tough to keep a teen home on Saturday nights, rather have him home than out somewhere.
--- Quote ----AAA also went on camera depriving kids of proper cooked meals for weeks (rosie brat camp 2) even though the kid in question was in compliance with all of the rules from very early on
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I didn’t see this so I don’t know the back ground. If the food was good quality and contained the correct balance and enough calories I don’t see a problem. If they were below minimum calories or going against a doctors request I wouldn’t agree with this.
--- Quote ----AAA also showed a counsellor urging a girl to hit him on several occasions. When she did he pushed her to the floor and sat on her.
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I don’t believe in any hitting at all. I’m not one of those “No spank” fanatics but we never spanked our kids (some people feel we should have)
--- Quote ----The same girl had her wrists twisted for what the narrator said was 2 hours
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Seems like a long time to be restrained like that. It seems a little bazaar, imagine holding someone’s hands back for 2 hours. I use to wrestle in high school and after 15 minutes on the mats with someone and I would be exhausted and I was in good shape, I find it hard to believe.
--- Quote ---- Another girl was restrained by 2 women. One sat on her with her arm twisted up her back
and claimed with satisfaction "now it hurts"
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That’s not right at all. Don’t believe in that type of behavior.
--- Quote ---- Turn about ranch (which at least appeared to feed the kids well) tied 2 girls together for a
day to teach them to like each other.
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It seems really weird, they did this on TV?
These are not behaviors that I embrace or approve of…they do come from a tv show so I must take it with a grain of salt.
Oz girl:
Well who if you take something the programs allow to be documented on TV with a grain of salt as well as what kids who have been through the system say it seems that this is a pretty big case of denial. Tnak your lucky stars you are not at wilderness youd be eating cold porridge till they got you to see the "truth"
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Oz girl"" ---Well who if you take something the programs allow to be documented on TV with a grain of salt as well as what kids who have been through the system say it seems that this is a pretty big case of denial. Tnak your lucky stars you are not at wilderness youd be eating cold porridge till they got you to see the "truth"
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I have traveled extensively and realize many people view Americans by what they see on television and believe me it isn’t the case (except maybe the "Simpsons"). The Television industry may market a show as a reality series but it is just a stage show like every other show, one needs to take it with a grain of salt. Sure it parallels the wilderness industry, but they need to step it up to keep everyone interested. It is boring to hear all the kids are having a good day but if there is confrontation then they would rather film that part and the people know to step it up a notch.
It doesn’t mean I take peoples accounts here with a grain of salt, just the TV industry.
At SUWS, where my daughter attended, they were eating Lentils, rice and garlic the last night (which I was told was typical) My daughter cooked the meal and we sat up and talked about her experience, we slept on the ground with this screeching train that would go by every 2 hours down the mountain. I had the worst headache when morning came and barely slept a wink. My daughter got a kick out of seeing me suffer a little I think, and she was used to it by then… ( we weren’t much of a camping family). No toothbrush, shower etc. She said something like “Dad, you have to push thru it, we need to meet up on the trail” Ha,Ha,Ha, who was in charge then?
So I realize the place isn’t a resort, just not sure how much of the TV series to believe.
Oz girl:
But in all seriousness you joke about the fact that kids get sent there for watching porn. You are aware that you were in discomfort, even pain for 1 night but OK with your daughter being this way for weeks.You claim that both the TV and kids are exaggerating and that those who claim very real distress and trauma are just those that were "stubborn".
Why do you do this? It does not seem at all a laughing matter to me. This mind set is quite sinister and it is one that TV shows like brat camp as well as the whole industry encourage. Real people are being hurt by all of this. How is it that you can be really glib in defending this industry? To me the real tragedy is the kids who spend 8 weeks cold, miserable and sometimes in real physical pain as much as it is the ian Augusts and Aaron Bacons because there aremany such kids who never make the news but go on to live with a lot of unneccesary demons.
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