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TheWho:
--- Quote --- But in all seriousness you joke about the fact that kids get sent there for watching porn. You are aware that you were in discomfort, even pain for 1 night but OK with your daughter being this way for weeks.
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I don’t joke about kids getting sent away for watching porn, I think it is nuts. These parents should know better. It goes to show you there are all kinds of people out there. This isn’t the typical child that attends wilderness.
--- Quote ---You claim that both the TV and kids are exaggerating and that those who claim very real distress and trauma are just those that were "stubborn". Why do you do this? It does not seem at all a laughing matter to me. This mind set is quite sinister and it is one that TV shows like brat camp as well as the whole industry encourage.
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I believe what I said was it is a TV show and events can get distorted or made to seem different than they really are. If kids are sitting around the camp fire singing it is going to be sitting on the editors floor, If they have a slow week they are going to have to figure out how to boast the excitement for the following week even if they need to use a sharp stick “As they say” . But is this a true reflection on wilderness camp? Probably not, I am sure there are aspects that are real , but either way I am talking thru my hat because I never saw the show. So my opinion isn’t worth much on this one. I will have to defer to yourself and others who have been there.
--- Quote ---Real people are being hurt by all of this. How is it that you can be really glib in defending this industry? To me the real tragedy is the kids who spend 8 weeks cold, miserable and sometimes in real physical pain as much as it is the ian Augusts and Aaron Bacons because there aremany such kids who never make the news but go on to live with a lot of unneccesary demons.
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I am not defending the entire industry. I believe that religion is important also, in its own way, and contributes to society in a positive way but I don’t think that many of the fringe sects that do harm to people are necessarily good for us or individuals who permeate the main stream religions for the purpose of hurting our children is good either, but I am not ready to sign a petition to have religion abolished. We all need to be a little more proactive and work towards improving what we have (weeding out the bad) instead of tearing something down to serve some personal desires or agendas, these places do benefit many children. We have a process in place lets work on improving it for the benefit of the kids.
hanzomon4:
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This guy could spin shit into gold....
Anonymous:
Hm whoever that was that use to work there IS correct. I was there in 2004..or around that time in the girls group. There is a couple of the staff I talked to that I NEED to talk to. No I'm not mad. But TWO of them did save my OWN life. If it wasn't for meeting them. I would have commited suicide when I was 16. Yeah agreed shit happens. But its not everyones fault that works there.
Oscar:
Our datasheet of this program have several survivor groups listed. Among them a specific survivor group on Myspace. If someone knows of other groups, please let us know the url, so we can add it on the datasheet.
Maybe you can find someone you know.
Anonymous:
This goes out to the girl who worked at LSE and supposedly met Matthew Meyer. Girl, you have no idea what you are talking about. Matthew suffered over 24 hours, was forced to walk in 115 to 130 heat index after getting lost by the navigator. When he managed to complete the last 200 yards, he collapsed on the ground. Staff member kept telling him to get up, then they through water on him and when they heard him "snoring" he was actually aspiriating. But the staff just kept telling him to quit faking it. After 20 minutes, they finally looked at him and realized he was dying.
The night before he was stumbling and mumbling around and said his legs felt numb. Through a radio call, the psychologist on staff said it was an anxiety attack and never went and looked at him.
Also, you idiot, his heart was just fine. It took over a month to get the autopsy report back, so you had no idea what you were talking about. You need to keep your mouth shut until you know the truth.
I know the truth and you can take that to the bank. I have been waiting patiently to tell you just how stupid you sounded in your little say so. You might want to shut up from now on.
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