Webmaster States God Has No Place On Fornits

[Anonymous]

I disagree with F. Lee here.  I want my children to be able to recite clean sterile facts.  If it was necessary for my children to have a moral compass or be suitable to live in society the government would not have built jails and prisons.  Everyone knows that it is never the uneducated laborers who lead nations to tyranny but the most highly educated amoung society.  Look at Hitler and Lenin.
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[Anonymous]

So you place the expectation that HLA provide therapy first rather than education.  Again your expectation.
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[Anonymous]

So you place the expectation that HLA provide therapy first rather than education.  Again your expectation.

Here's what HLA advertises to provide:

C O U N S E L I N G   P R O G R A M S

Although most of our students struggle with issues of Oppositional Defiant Disorder, we separate and treat all of our students' needs with specialized attention. Hidden Lake Academy offers a strong therapeutic curriculum, coupled with specialized "adjunct" therapeutic services which address other clinical issues such as; addictive, compulsive and self-destructive behaviors.

While supported in a caring, loving environment, students are taught the lessons of healthy living and the importance of academic achievement. During the course of the therapeutic program at HLA, students move through five sequentially planned counseling segments called Elements. Elements are designed to build on each other progressively, and each Element introduces concepts that are crucial to the student's personal development and success.

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Counse ... grams.aspx

Please stop trying to muddle the issues.

Also, Deborah asked you some pretty point-blank questions. Why don't you answer those?

[Anonymous]

I see contributors continue to make a mockery of others moral and religious beliefs.  I imagine that if the Chapel were completed there would be a debate about the seperation of church and state.
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[Anonymous]

Please note:

From 6 am to 7 am this morning Michael & Raphael, Hunter Thompson, and F. Lee Bailey have all mispelled the same word. Coincidence? I think not. Maybe someone has a multiple-personality disorder.

[Troll Control]

I would refer you to the very first post in this string.  You seem to believe that a school should provide education without any behavioral altercation at all.  This is in line with the political logic that has created much of the current problem.  Schools should not discipline children or limit thier freedom in any way.  So any school that does could not be primarily educational but must be primarily therapeutic.  Of course if a school provides structure and discipline it must be corrupt and sinister.  Maybe you should appeal to the supreme court for a final ruling of seperation of education and behavioral modification.

Woops!  Little slip there, eh, Bailey?  You said a mouthful there, Jack.

HLA, where kids are subject to "altercations" as a form of therapy.  Boy, you unwittingly summed it up quite nicely there...

[Troll Control]

I find it striking as well that these (this) poster is the best and brightest HLA has to offer to try to provide damage control.

This is just more evidence to support the claims that HLA employs uneducated, untrained, wholly inappropriate "party-liners."

Let me ask you this:  Why are you so diligently (but utterly ineffectively) fighting for HLA when Len has taken everything form you already (cut salary, cut vacation, cut benefits, cut bereavement leave, etc)?  How much worse can your job get?  

With those items in mind, what motivates a holy-roller like you to advocate for moral defectives like Len? If you are so concerned with righteousness and the word of God, why do you toil for a homosexual?[/b]

You're either a phony or a hypocrite.  Pick one.

[HLA Truth]

Are these posts definitely coming from Dahlonega?  Is there a way to tell if they are coming specifically from HLA?  If so, that narrows down who it is to someone living on campus.

[Troll Control]

Are these posts definitely coming from Dahlonega?  Is there a way to tell if they are coming specifically from HLA?  If so, that narrows down who it is to someone living on campus.

I have the exact location of the poster.  I'll drop you a PM and let you know.

[RobertBruce]

I would refer you to the very first post in this string.  You seem to believe that a school should provide education without any behavioral altercation at all.  This is in line with the political logic that has created much of the current problem.  Schools should not discipline children or limit thier freedom in any way.  So any school that does could not be primarily educational but must be primarily therapeutic.  Of course if a school provides structure and discipline it must be corrupt and sinister.  Maybe you should appeal to the supreme court for a final ruling of seperation of education and behavioral modification.

You're dodging the question. Is the primary focus of hla education or therapy?

Simple question, let's see if you can't provide a simple answer.

[RobertBruce]

I see contributors continue to make a mockery of others moral and religious beliefs.  I imagine that if the Chapel were completed there would be a debate about the seperation of church and state.

Doubtful and no one is mocking anyones beliefe, rather the poster. In this case you. Please though tell us more about the chapel fund. Where did all that money go? Why has it suddenly reappeared? Give us the rundown.

[Deborah]

I disagree with F. Lee here.  I want my children to be able to recite clean sterile facts.  If it was necessary for my children to have a moral compass or be suitable to live in society the government would not have built jails and prisons.  Everyone knows that it is never the uneducated laborers who lead nations to tyranny but the most highly educated amoung society.  Look at Hitler and Lenin.

FALL OUT
Sweetie, It's one thing to post as multiple people, but when you start talking to and disagreeing with yourself.... one has to wonder you are unstable or a skilled con artist.
You're manipulating and deceiving the readers of this forum.
Playing with semanics.

The ORS states clearly that as a boarding school HLA is exempt.

Has ORS ruled on this matter?

HLA's primary purpose is to provide education to students who have struggled in traditional settings.

Is that HLA's official position? Therapy is secondary to education?
I contend that HLA provides education because it's required of any program/facility housing kids 24/7, and secondary to their 18-22 month therapeutic program.
I would wager, that there's never been a parent who sent their child to HLA or any other Therapeutic Boarding School, primarily for education. Nice spin though. And ORS might buy it.

The issue is not what a consumer desires in a product but what the provider is required by law to provide.

The provider is required by law to deliver what they advertise.

[Troll Control]

Authorities appropriate to who?

Student deemed inappropriate by who?

Teachers and Counselors deemed appropriate by who?

Maybe Willie Nelson and Tommy Chong are available to come teach and counsel children in accordance with the values of Fornits.

And then again, maybe Dan "The Man" Mansfield will be available to proseletyze our children to values of radical christian fundamentalism.

Is cramming fundamental christianity down the throats of troubled kids now part of your program, Dan?  How do you reconcile forcing your narrow religious beliefs onto children of varied religious backgrounds with "therapy" and "education," Dan?

The courts frown upon this type of activity in a counseling environment, Dan.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1625328/posts

Do you let parents of the kids in your peer group know that you are trying to convert their children to your belief system, Dan?  I can't imaging this would be looked upon favorably by parents who sent their kids to a non-denominational, secular treatment facility.

I suppose the picture becomes clearer when one examines the stated purpose of Dan's college:

Mission
   
The purpose of Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary is to serve the church and the world by educating men and women for participation in the continuing ministry of Jesus Christ. The seminary's primary goal is to serve the church by equipping those preparing for ordination as ministers of the Word and Sacrament. In addition, the seminary provides education for counselors, educators and other church leaders whose vocation invites professional training integrated with theological reflection. The seminary also serves as an educational resource through continuing education programs for ministers and other officers and members of the church. Through its commitment to scholarly research and teaching, the seminary provides a theological resource for the church by striving to interpret the gospel in an ever-changing world.  

(emphasis added)

http://www.pcusa.org/seminaries/seminar ... sville.htm

So, Dan, tell us why you took the job at HLA.  You certainly aren't qualified to be providing therapy.  In fact, you're legally barred from doing so.  So are you just there to increase the size of the flock, Dan?

Also, if you are there preaching the Word of God, how do you reconcile the fact that your boss is an abomination in the eyes of your church - a homosexual?  Isn't there a conflict of interest for a church man like yourself taking pay from a homosexual?

"Our concern is for the integrity of Scripture, which clearly gives us guidance for every area of life, including the family and chastity. We believe God has ordained that sexual relationships should be between one man and one woman in the context of marriage, and that neither heterosexual relations outside of marriage, or homosexual relations, are appropriate."

(emphasis added)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_pcia3.htm

You hardly seem like the kind of man I'd want mentoring my kid to fit into a diverse society.

Get back to me and we'll discuss it further.

[Deborah]

Read the following advertisement at NATSAP. HLA makes an effort to put equal emphasis on academics and therapy in the first paragraph, but the remainder of the article is directly related to the therapy. If they were primarily educational, wouldn't they focus on their award-winning academics and make mention of therapy?

Hidden Lake Academy (HLA), located on a 215-acre campus one hour north of Atlanta, helps young people make significant gains in emotional maturity and academic achievement. Integral to the HLA program is an equal emphasis on the college-preparatory academic curriculum and sudent's therapeutic work. The Academy's 20 state-certified teachers (including two in the area of special education), 32 Master's-level counselors, and 35 wilderness/recreation staff members* cooperate to help students develop all aspects of their lives: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. The 9:1 student to teacher ratio ensures individual attention and a return to academic success.

*Are they delivering what they advertise? They aren't supposed to have a wilderness component....

Typical students exhibit oppositional-defiant behavior, low self-esteem, depression, ADHD, deteriorating family relationships, and are making poor choices. Students typically graduate Hidden Lake Academy's therapeutic program with a greatly increased ability and motivation to make decisions that will positively impact their lives.

Hidden Lake Academy utilizes a detailed, sequential therapeutic program which allows for a high degree of program accountability. Each group consists of 14 students and is led by 2 to 3 Master's-level counselors. Students participate in three group counseling sessions per week (7 hours).
In addition to group therapy, an addictions education course, planned and staffed by specialists in this field,** is included in each student's experience. A wilderness component-consisting of a series of exciting and challenging experiences including two, four, and seven-day wilderness trips, rock climbing and rappelling days, a ropes course, and canoeing is carefully integrated into a program. A staff chaplain provides ample opportunities for spiritual development for students of all faiths and coordinates extensive community services projects and numerous off-campus trips. HLA competes in the Atlanta Athletic Conference. Studens participate in basketball, volleyball, baseball, soccer, wrestling, tennis, softball, golf and track. Sports are balanced by strong Drama and Fine Arts Departments.
**and the specialists are? Last I checked, neither possesed certification as Addiction Counselors.

[Anonymous]

I would appreciate anyone from HLA giving a list of the performances that the fine drama department has put on over the last 11 years.  I am sure that prospective parents would love to have a list of the plays and musicals that have been performed.  This would show that you indeed have a very good drama department.