Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
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Anonymous:
Wow Odie is right. The APT Foundation runs that place in Conn. You can see that right in the story DJ linked to. All ya gotta do is look it up at http://www.aptfoundation.org and see for yourself. Looks like DJ is the one full of crap on this one.
Troll Control:
I was in that daytop unit in 98-Fox Run. When I was there they were using the toilet seats and the signs. All that stuff was kept in a closet in the main house and the staff would make you pick out your own toilet seat to wear.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---I wrote the original message here. I was at Daytop Residential 1994-95
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--- Quote ---As a teenager, I was a resident in Daytop's "long-term treatment" Rhinebeck, NY and Millbrook, NY facilities. I was caught smoking pot and drinking--just your average teenage stuff. My parents dealt with it by sending me to this hellhole. Now that they are more educated and know about the program, they are remorseful. These are just a few things I witnessed while in the Daytop "program":
"Treatment" consisted of uneducated "counselors" yelling profanity and derrogatory comments at the top of their lungs--day after day, group after group. Strip searches were common--especially when perverted staff were on the schedule for that day. Residents were forced to wear signs that said things like: "I am a Liar" or "I am a dope fiend loser", etc. I was forced to wear clothes that were 2 sizes too big, because my primary counselor referred to my "slutty body" as "too image." Apparently Daytop's idea of "drug treatment" is associated with degradation and humiliation.
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Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#75183
Maybe that link isn't right. It's hard to imagine there is another "Daytop" that runs its program the exact same way as the one in NY, but has no connection. Looks like an oversight. I did a search for "Daytop toilet seat" and that one popped right up. Too similar for no connection in my opinion.
Anyway, just look at the post from this girl Angela from Daytop in 1994 and 1995 who was forced to wear signs. It definitely was happening.
Did you work at that facility? If not how can you say that it didn't happen there? Angela was a resident there and she says it happened. DJ was an employee there and he says it happened. They're both lying? I tend to believe two separate reports from a resident and a staff over someone who never went there.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-24 12:35:00, odie wrote:
"And if there was a report of a facility that had kids wearing toilet seats you know damn well that would have been splattered all over the front pages of the NY papers.
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If the world functioned according to this idealistic perspective, this forum and most of the problems we see in the teen help industry would not exist. The media does not have the time or the inclination to report on every child abuse allegation. Unfortunately, reality is that many scandals, corrupt business dealings, and crimes fall below the watch of the public, the media, and the elected officials.
Daytop is well connected politically and has substantial financial resources. These connections and resources enable power, influence, and positive recognition. Daytop staff have been reported to CPS in the past. I worked at ADU 97-99 and know of CPS investigations, where the claims were deemed "unfounded." Or they were somehow washed under the rug, with no obvious reprocussions. Child abuse is difficult to prove--especially in cases of emotional abuse and neglect. The evidence is not obvious. Child Protective caseworkers are overworked, undereducated, and often miss the obvious. Lets face it: in a emotional abuse allegation: who will the system usually believe? A "disgruntled" kid mandated by the courts? Or the Monsignor who rubs elbows with George Pataki? Daytop has the resources needed to cover its tracks. They move suspicious staff to different facilities--sometimes across the country. Many staff do not speak up because they are either too brainwashed or too fearful of retaliation. This is reality at its best. And it allows Daytop to operate, despite its abusive and otherwise questionable tactics.
Troll Control:
So when you were working there did kids wear signs and toilet seats? Did you ever see anything like that?
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