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Tough Love- nonsense
Paul St. John:
Tough love is basically the idea that help must hurt.. that it needs to be painful to be helped.
Picture this, you are on a boat, and you see a person drowning.. what do you do?
Perhaps you will throw them a life preserver.
you then pull them up onto the boat.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
You wanted to help somebody and you did!
It worked...
So where the fuck was all the tough love?
You didn t pull them on the boat, kick them in the face, throw thwm back in again, and then help them out, but somehow it still worked. You successfully helped them with absolutly no "tough love".
This is why it is so hilarious to hear a so called proffessional say that "tough love" is the only way to really help somebody.
In my opinion, it is a way of punishing somebody. They don t mention it but these centers are not just therapy centers, they are punishment/therapy centers, with most of the punisment aspect outweighing the therapy aspect.
Why waiste the precious time of one's life?
If there is a solution, why not go directly there?
Paul St. John
odie:
Maybe something has changed at Daytop that I'm not aware about. When I was there there was no " tough love". It was called responsible love.I've looked at your postings for awhile now and all I can say is get over it and move on. Life is worth much more than holding on to resentments.
Hands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Troll Control:
I'm not sure of when or how you were affiliated with Daytop, but since the 1970's they have espoused the tough love philosophy. The only problem is that they provided the tough, but not the love.
In addition, the staff were program grads with no credentials other than that they were (or are) drug addicts and went thru Daytop. There were many staff who were active addicts and alcoholics, including Directors who were drunk and/or high on the job. When they get caught violating policy, they start up the merry-go-round and simply reassign the offenders to new posts at new sites.
Basically, Daytop is a dump that treats its clients like dirt and employs a confrontational "therapy" program that clearly does not work. Internal Daytop statistics (up to 1996) show an 80% recidivism rate, that is 80% of people who finish the program go right back to getting high.
If you need help, seek it elsewhere with competent therapists, not where your primary care staff are active addicts and drunks practicing ineffective confrontational so-called "therapy."
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-10 05:48:00, odie wrote:
"I've looked at your postings for awhile now and all I can say is get over it and move on. Life is worth much more than holding on to resentments.
Hands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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In my veiw of an ideal world, places such as Daytop would not exist. This is more the reason for my postings then resentments.
I think of the jews for example. They have acted in accordance with what you have recomended, and they have done it to such an extent, as I have seen in my life experience that all I can do is bow my hat to them, and be amazed and inspired by them. I think they have done the right thing thing, as a whole, and that letting go, and moving on is of great virtue.
But concentration camps are gone. It is no longer going on. These rehabs are not. They still exist, and I consider an atrocity that these places still exist in a society which has acheived as enlightened a level of existence, and ideaology as we have overall.
I'm not sure what if anything has come from my postings, or even entirely, unfalteringly sure what I would like to come from them, or how much I even care to invest in exposing or acting against these places. I some times think that I should just move on altogether..
But something that I always think about in my head is the idea, that all heros and great people, those who I've always looked up to...
fight battles today, and pave ways today, in order that future generations need not fight them.
We have been there.. in these rehabs.. I have been there, and I know that they are wrong.
How can I leave to those who come after me, these places, still in place, and functioning, and still hold my head tall?
How can I feel right?
Paul St. John
Nobody deserves it.. I do fine with my resentments. I held my own in that place, but not all can or well.
Antigen:
Well, I think you just come to terms w/ your itty, bitty little role in all of it. You just speak your peace and do whatever you can in whatever becomes the normal course of your life to tip the ball in a good direction whenever it comes your way.
You may not get a lot of accolades and tangible evidence of your good (or bad) deeds that way. But you get to live well, which is the best revenge. And, if you have faith in the basic fairness and balance of the universe--faith of the variety which is fed and strengthened by honest doubt--you don't assume your well intended actions or words will work for good. You wait and see what happens.
It takes a thousand voices to tell just one story. Right now, James Frey is just about my favorite media hoaxter. Whatever his intention (and who can know the mind of another) his li'll stunt is shedding some much needed light on the frauds and hucksters in this industry or social movement or witch hunt or whatever the hell we're in the middle of here.
They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit.
--Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer
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