Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
Tough Love- nonsense
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--- Quote ---On 2006-01-24 13:03:00, odie wrote:
"Lets see now...hmm... I'd think there must have been some agency you were required to report such unethical behavior to, unless of course you don't believe it was unethical to put a toilet seat over a kid's head? I mean c'mon now dude don't tell me you you were ok with letting a classic case of emotional abuse to a child go on without saying something? Mental defect?...nah, just someone thats pissed off right now at somebody that let that go on without saying a word, that is if it really happened. I will say this, if I saw it heads would have rolled, and that would have been after I took the toilet seat and had the staff member who put it there wear it around his or her neck.
Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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No, I did bring up stuff like this regularly to my boss. his response would always be along the lines of "We've been doing this thing a lot longer than you have. Your education really means nothing if you can't see were helping people here. Our program works and that's waht matters."
My remedy for a situation that I was powerless to change was to leave. I now speak up about things I've seen and heard so that, hopefully, it won't continue to happen.
Again, I say that I thought it was stupid and unproductive, not "abusive." If I were going to report any emotional abuse at Daytop, I'd have to report it every day. That place is run on emotional abuse. "The seat" was relatively innocuous compared to the mindfucking in general.
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--- Quote ---On 2006-01-24 13:03:00, odie wrote:
"Lets see now...hmm... I'd think there must have been some agency you were required to report such unethical behavior to, unless of course you don't believe it was unethical to put a toilet seat over a kid's head? I mean c'mon now dude don't tell me you you were ok with letting a classic case of emotional abuse to a child go on without saying something? Mental defect?...nah, just someone thats pissed off right now at somebody that let that go on without saying a word, that is if it really happened. I will say this, if I saw it heads would have rolled, and that would have been after I took the toilet seat and had the staff member who put it there wear it around his or her neck.
Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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First it never happened. Now it's my fault that it did. Yes, your resoning skills show clearly that you're a mental defective.
If all you want to do is bash me, get on with it. That's fine. But don't say some stupid shit like "It never happened" and then say it's my fault because I "let it happen." That is truly moronic, Odie.
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--- Quote ---On 2006-01-24 13:06:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1069053
Looks like the use of humiliation tactics like the clownsuit and others were still being used by Daytop as late as 2003. Odie, once again, you have shown yourself to be, let's say, a little bit "factually challenged."
I call it "full of shit," but whatever. It took exactly one Google search to show without doubt that you have no idea what you're talking about again."
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i guess that lawyer wasn't neceesary after all. odie, i think you're the one who's been proven to be "full of crap". obviously this stuff was still going on twenty years after you said it was stopped. is channel 8 news full of crap too, odie? why do you lie like that and try to say this other guy's lying when it's obvious that you are?
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-23 07:51:00, odie wrote:
"No doubt there were some wacked out counselors and directors when I was working for Daytop. And yes it is one big money machine. Paul, I'm not against what you're saying, I agree with some of it but times change. When I was there in the 90's it was totally different from the early days of the signs, shaved heads, drinking priviledges, etc.and yes it has a ways to go and my hope is that with the new licensing regulations for the staff, they will purge all the old timers and it will get lots better.
For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute
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Odie,
You are more optimistic about Daytop then I. Personally, I would like to see them put out of business- not regulated. As long ago, as it was, I don't like being fucked with!
Paul
PS If the goverment stopped carrying them, I project that they would shrink smaller and smaller, and probably be out of business within a few years. If they were to somehow survive, they would have to recreate their philosophy, and probably hire all new pwople, and become more or less a new program all together- one that would not be able to exist while being so harmful... So really when all is said and done, it is in the goverment's hands, but not only in the gov't's hands. Perhaps, I will shut them down. i haven't decided what it means to me yet[ This Message was edited by: Paul St. John on 2006-01-24 15:40 ]
odie:
Hey DJ, the Daytop program you referred to in Connecticut is not affiliated with Daytop Village in NY. Now I wonder why you failed to mention that? Maybe thats where the confusion here is. I hope that someone with such a high intellect could have seen that and not have a mental defected mind have to point that out to you but then again maybe you hoped nobody else noticed it. So back to the original question, why didn't you report what you saw to the proper agency?
A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trust either of them
P.J. O'Rourke
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