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cleveland:
Jgar,

Props to you for this. If everyone posted like you do we'd get a lot further in this dialog. I respect that.

Walter

Antigen:
Yeah, I'm really surprised by that response. I ran into a couple of Seedlings in around 88 or so and it was just like I remembered, except that they were older.

These were women in their mid `20's or so, about my age. They had on Seed tshirts, jeans and identical hair cuts. I said something to them like "Wow, the Seed's still around? My brothers were there years ago. How's it going?" Nothing hostile at all. But they just looked at each other and said nothing. So I told them my name and said "Say hi to Art for me". They did the same thing again then ran out the door.

So I assumed it was still the same "No talking to splits, pull offs or screw ups" policy and enforced asif that meant everyone not explicitly approved by staff.

Frankly, I thought it was hillarious.
Vain are the thousand creeds that move men's hearts, unutterably vain, worthless as wither'd weeds.
--Emily Bronte
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jgar:
Hey Ginger, :???:

Sounds about right and that attitude was all too typical.One of the things that use to bring a bitter taste to me.It always seamed to me that the girls were alot more zelous than the guys. :???:  Do you remember thier names I probably know them very well.

Antigen:
Oh, I guess you did know them. But they certainly didn't tell me their names. I'm tellin' yah, they said not one word! They acted like I was a ghost or something; paid for a couple of dozen boxes of donuts and then ran out the door. I guess they had to go report themselves for having been talked to by a.... what? Someone who recognized their tshirts?


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright
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Anonymous:
well one thing was since most people werent encouraged to think a whole lot on their own, in a situation as you are describing ginger they probably freaked out a bit. thats the sad thing i think. in some ways certain things that were taught make sense to me. dont hang out with your old druggie friends. ok thats simple enough, if you were doing drugs with this person and wish to stop, ths would be a stupid thing to do. but as opposed to applying common sense to this idea and taking people as you meet them. do they seem good, do they seem bad, and making a decision, it was applied to everyone. the seed stayed isolated, and looked at everyone else on the outside as bad. or possibly bad which they treated just the same. as people worked in smaller and smaller groups, more independantly this dimminshed a little, but only a little. and heaven for bid someone should come walking up to you and say something. worse yet, have someone walk up to you of the opposite sex and say something to you. not everyone is really freaking out!

and if i am correct in who jgar is, then when he returned for the reunion something similar happened with him,although he may not have been aware of it. but oddly enough by "this person" being nice and friendly some people were a bit freaked out. mainly wondering if he had changed since the time everyone knew him. of course everyone changes, this doesnt make it a bad thing. secondly even if we do make some changes for the worse this isnt the end of the world. we are after all human. but in seed eyes this made you a total failure. mistakes were not permitted. (ignoring their own flaws of course) some people wanted to remain distant because of the risk that he's different. oh my. contact with an outside person....terrible.   of course some people this didnt phase. some people did have a more reasonable attitude and basically ignored "the approve behavior".  what i always thought was sad was that the seed in some ways taught some good things, but then failed to practice encourage them, and the people who learned it didnt pratice it. being told to "think for yourself" was contant but in reality everything had to be approved. why more people didnt notice this discrepancy is beyond me, mainly i think people wanted the crutch but thats another story for another time, and even when someone saw these discrepancies most often they didnt do anything about it. so when meeting someone it should have been that big a deal to just see where it goes. if the person is bad then you just dont talk anymore. if not, hey maybe you actually met someone worthwhile...wow.  you mean they werent from the seed how's that possible??? being taught to treat people with respect, but then failing to do it...sad

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